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Old 12-07-2013, 03:12 PM   #221
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^^Responding to my own post above. Problem is resolved. Went back to the alignment shop and the tech suggested we flip the drivers and passenger tires (front only). After the flip she drove way better and didn't pull to the right. I don't know if this is common or not but now I'm thinking I may have a balancing issue with one tire? or abnormal wear on one tire? (I didn't see any and am frequently inspecting my tires)
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I've never had an out-of-balance wheel create a strong pull like you described. More likely, you have some bad wear on those tires. Maybe the new alignment and rotation will slowly correct the wear; maybe not.
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I've had tire-induced pull before. It's not a balance issue - balance induces shake/shimmy/shivver.

Just something about how the tread pattern and belts on the tire wear.

Just go to a front-back tire rotation when you rotate, keeping left and right on the same side each time.
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I've had tire-induced pull before. It's not a balance issue - balance induces shake/shimmy/shivver.

Just something about how the tread pattern and belts on the tire wear.

Just go to a front-back tire rotation when you rotate, keeping left and right on the same side each time.
Agree with this 100%

When tires are cross rotated, the wheel actually roll is the opposite direction. I know that many say this is OK for radials. but I am old enough to remember when this was quite a problem.

The tire guy that swapped from side to side was changing the rolling direction of the tires. IMO, one of those tires has an issue. Possibly an internal belt has shifted or seperated. Long term you may see more issues.

To prevent this from happening, always rotate front to back. Cross rotation can create it.
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Just got another alignment, I have my LR uppers set to the +2 setting, shop set my caster to 1.7 on the left and 3.4 on the right... I told them it needs to be in the 2.5 range, but they said the camber didn't allow that... Do they just not know how to use the LR uppers? Or are they idiots? Idk...
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Just got another alignment, I have my LR uppers set to the +2 setting, shop set my caster to 1.7 on the left and 3.4 on the right... I told them it needs to be in the 2.5 range, but they said the camber didn't allow that... Do they just not know how to use the LR uppers? Or are they idiots? Idk...
LCA cams may be seized...
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Just got another alignment, I have my LR uppers set to the +2 setting, shop set my caster to 1.7 on the left and 3.4 on the right... I told them it needs to be in the 2.5 range, but they said the camber didn't allow that... Do they just not know how to use the LR uppers? Or are they idiots? Idk...
It would seem they may need you to bring in this write-up (the section where Moose explains maximizing clearance) and the SCS install sheet.

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LCA cams may be seized...
I think the tech would've told him if they were seized, or should have anyway.
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LCA cams may be seized...
I've been holding off to replace the cams for when I can get some poly bushings for the lca, which are supposed to be available by the end of the year....
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I've been holding off to replace the cams for when I can get some poly bushings for the lca, which are supposed to be available by the end of the year....
I was gonna check mine this weekend but not sure I want the bad news haha
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I was gonna check mine this weekend but not sure I want the bad news haha
Heh I hear ya, I dread needing an alignment because I just never know what to expect at these shops...
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Heh I hear ya, I dread needing an alignment because I just never know what to expect at these shops...
I'm getting 33s in the spring and I know I'm gonna need to do work before that
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I'm getting 33s in the spring and I know I'm gonna need to do work before that
You can set the LR UCAs at "E" and get a good caster, you might be able to set them at "F" and still get close to 2 degrees after its aligned. 2 isn't bad. It helped a lot (when I did mine at "E") in respect to clearing the tires and the back side of the fender.
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You can set the LR UCAs at "E" and get a good caster, you might be able to set them at "F" and still get close to 2 degrees after its aligned. 2 isn't bad. It helped a lot (when I did mine at "E") in respect to clearing the tires and the back side of the fender.
I'll turn them 1 notch when I do it. My alignment guy is really good and I'll be there to watch and make sure I get what I need done to clear.
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I'll turn them 1 notch when I do it. My alignment guy is really good and I'll be there to watch and make sure I get what I need done to clear.
That's awesome! Its hard to find a tech who'll take the time to figure out how far they can push the upper BJ setting to maximize clearance and still get good alignment numbers.
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That's awesome! Its hard to find a tech who'll take the time to figure out how far they can push the upper BJ setting to maximize clearance and still get good alignment numbers.
Last time I had an alignment I dropped the truck off with the directions because I had school and when I picked it up it was amazing! I talked to him the next day and he said it was super easy to do! He's a friend's dad and knows how particular I am and that I know what I'm talking about
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I too have gone thru the works on getting someone who knows how to adjust the uppers. I went to one shop, spoke to the tech, gave him the sheet from SPC showing the setting for the LR uppers and the guy still went the other direction with it because he said it didnt look right. I ended up setting it my self and went to another shop. Final Caster was 3.9 and 4.0 but it took me 4 alignment shops, one was not using digital but the old school alignment.
Even with the Spidertrax spacers the uppers still looked to close at full lock with the 285's and I had what I thought was some full turn rub with the LR uca's, Turns out the 16'' TRD wheels dont like stick on weights because of a clearance issue with the caliper. Went back down to Nitto's 265/75 and dealer suggested using nail on weights. Not sure yet because jus did it yesterday. Point being, tons of issues lifting and adjusting even with the LR uppers.
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I too have gone thru the works on getting someone who knows how to adjust the uppers. I went to one shop, spoke to the tech, gave him the sheet from SPC showing the setting for the LR uppers and the guy still went the other direction with it because he said it didnt look right. I ended up setting it my self and went to another shop. Final Caster was 3.9 and 4.0 but it took me 4 alignment shops, one was not using digital but the old school alignment.
Even with the Spidertrax spacers the uppers still looked to close at full lock with the 285's and I had what I thought was some full turn rub with the LR uca's, Turns out the 16'' TRD wheels dont like stick on weights because of a clearance issue with the caliper. Went back down to Nitto's 265/75 and dealer suggested using nail on weights. Not sure yet because jus did it yesterday. Point being, tons of issues lifting and adjusting even with the LR uppers.
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I too have gone thru the works on getting someone who knows how to adjust the uppers. I went to one shop, spoke to the tech, gave him the sheet from SPC showing the setting for the LR uppers and the guy still went the other direction with it because he said it didnt look right. I ended up setting it my self and went to another shop. Final Caster was 3.9 and 4.0 but it took me 4 alignment shops, one was not using digital but the old school alignment.
Even with the Spidertrax spacers the uppers still looked to close at full lock with the 285's and I had what I thought was some full turn rub with the LR uca's, Turns out the 16'' TRD wheels dont like stick on weights because of a clearance issue with the caliper. Went back down to Nitto's 265/75 and dealer suggested using nail on weights. Not sure yet because jus did it yesterday. Point being, tons of issues lifting and adjusting even with the LR uppers.
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