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Old 04-08-2012, 06:14 PM   #1
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Anyone with 700lb coil springs and aftermarket plate bumper

I'm looking for anyone who has switched from a 650lb coil spring 13" or 14" long to a 700lb coil spring 13" or 14" long with an adjustable coilover and heavy front end from aftermarket bumper/winch. Question: how did the ride compare between the 650 lb coil spring with more preload and the 700 lb coil spring with less preload?
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I can't compare because I got 700# right off the bat. I watched many others pre-load the piss out of their suspension with 650# springs which in turn made them wear out fast.

IMO 700# springs should be run on all trucks with plate bumpers. I know some guys with 650# will disagree, but once their coils wear out maybe they will reconsider.

I primarily run fire roads at medium speeds. Truck is lifted about 2" with plate front and rear bumpers with ATO skids.

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^^ Thanks. If you've ever been in a guy's tacoma with 650 lb springs and a plate steel bumper, how did the ride compare with yours?
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^^ Thanks. If you've ever been in a guy's tacoma with 650 lb springs and a plate steel bumper, how did the ride compare with yours?

I was in the same model truck running the same model shocks with 650# springs and I couldn't notice a difference.

The other owner had about 1-2" of thread showing.
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I was in the same model truck running the same model shocks with 650# springs and I couldn't notice a difference.

The other owner had about 1-2" of thread showing.
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Me too. Although they aren't installed yet I knew with plate bumper skid and winch I wanted a heavier duty spring so I wouldn't have to put as much preload on them. I agree with everything XXX has said.
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Are you still running ungusseted spindles?

More on-topic, I'm going to be swapping to stiffer and longer (giggity!) 700 lb coils on my shocks because I had to crank down on the 650 lbs ones so much that I had coil binding at full compression.

They've been in my garage for months, and one of these years I'll find the time to install those things...
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Are you still running ungusseted spindles?

More on-topic, I'm going to be swapping to stiffer and longer (giggity!) 700 lb coils on my shocks because I had to crank down on the 650 lbs ones so much that I had coil binding at full compression.

They've been in my garage for months, and one of these years I'll find the time to install those things...
I always thought it was kiinda funny see'ing all the beefier U/LCA's, yet the spindly spindles are un touched..
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Hmm some people run them for a reason. They would rather bend a spindle than rip apart something else
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Hmm some people run them for a reason. They would rather bend a spindle than rip apart something else
Thats a good point. But hitting a small rut can fold it, where as if you were to gusset it, it could survive the same impact, and still be the "Fussable link" if a larger hit was had.
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Are you still running ungusseted spindles?
More on-topic, I'm going to be swapping to stiffer and longer (giggity!) 700 lb coils on my shocks because I had to crank down on the 650 lbs ones so much that I had coil binding at full compression.
They've been in my garage for months, and one of these years I'll find the time to install those things...
yep...

Worst yet is I had spare spindles and gussets for almost a year or longer in my parts room.

Hell, my tire gate has been cracked for over a year

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I always thought it was kiinda funny see'ing all the beefier U/LCA's, yet the spindly spindles are un touched..
Haven't bent one yet.

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Hmm some people run them for a reason. They would rather bend a spindle than rip apart something else
this...and laziness....and the fact I needed new wheels to fit the gussets on without spacers.
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yep...

Worst yet is I had spare spindles and gussets for almost a year or longer in my parts room.

Hell, my tire gate has been cracked for over a year
Lazy ass


Haven't bent one yet.

You drive like a girl
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To me it was worth it. Cheap insurance to know I shouldn't have to worry about breaking one
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If I drove like a girl my truck would of been totaled long ago.


did you know 78% of all gas station fires are caused by women?
Valid points. I retract me comments.
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OP, PM slimwood shady he just put an ARB bumper on and upgraded from the 650 Icon springs to the 700 Kings.
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Thats a good point. But hitting a small rut can fold it, where as if you were to gusset it, it could survive the same impact, and still be the "Fussable link" if a larger hit was had.
My gusseted spindles are still fuseable links.



Boyd, you got a welder? If not, I've got a flux core MIG setup that'll get the job done, or you can drop a few bucks and we'll take your junk to Bob for the baller TIG treatment.
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OP, PM slimwood shady he just put an ARB bumper on and upgraded from the 650 Icon springs to the 700 Kings.
Icon uses a "special" length spring that's longer then what King uses. I would be weary of changing them around. I know that King 700# will work with Fox no problem.

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My gusseted spindles are still fuseable links.

Boyd, you got a welder? If not, I've got a flux core MIG setup that'll get the job done, or you can drop a few bucks and we'll take your junk to Bob for the baller TIG treatment.
Yikes... thats AP's old gussets I think?

No welder here. I wish I had one.

Thanks for the offer.

I have a few local friends I need to ask...they actually offered I'm just not good at asking for help. My bumper needs some help (couple cracked welds), my gussets need welding, and I have a shackle flip in the works that will need some welding.
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Yikes... thats AP's old gussets I think?

No welder here. I wish I had one.

Thanks for the offer.

I have a few local friends I need to ask...they actually offered I'm just not good at asking for help. My bumper needs some help (couple cracked welds), my gussets need welding, and I have a shackle flip in the works that will need some welding.
Those are actually the TC gussets. Since everything else is reinforced, they're still the weak point on a hard enough hit. It was a pretty hard hit.

The offer's there if you feel like taking a drive so there's no need to ask. When I'm finally rolling again I could even haul my welder and generator down your way if there's an offroad day planned and I decide to trailer my pile.
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