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Old 07-29-2012, 07:38 AM   #1
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Lightbulb ome 885 or icon for db cab

i know the price range is can not to be compared, but im just trying to see which is better for the long run and is icon stage3 would be worth the extra money over ome
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so i am trying to understand this the best i can... so after reading a lot i have come down to these to lifts. would like the truck to be level;so some people are saying they got 3" lift in front with ome885 and some 2 and some 2.5" i would like nothing higher then 2.5", trying to avoid most of the issues that come with complete 3", that being said is diff drop good or bad with 2.5 lift? and is there any preference for uca with ome, iwould like to just put it on just to be safe and if i understand this right ome has better wheel travel then 5100, and thats where the icon comes in, do i want extended travel or std travel will give good travel; and does having extended travel with 2.5" has pros or cons:

and why does ome come with cover on their shocks and icon which cost much more doesn't;wont dirt and mud get on the shocks? and ome kit says its a sports kit but is it still good for off roading?

now comes the rear end, everyone seems to like the dakar leaf and prefers but from what i understand is it still puts the rear about 2" higher then the front:

one more question..a lot of people are saying that ome kit drops about .5" after a week or so;r you going to need an alignment after it settles or no need and the icon one is adjustable, can it be adjusted after its install and do you need alignment after everytime you adjust it?

sorry for any dump questions... i just would like to know what the results would be for my actions...i know there will be surprises but try avoid most of them and know my options b4 i decide.

and thanks for all the feedbacks.
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I think you need to do some more reading because a lot of your questions have been discussed at great length on this forum...

What is your use? The benefit of a high end shock like Icon, Fox or King over OME is adjustability and the ability to be rebuilt rather than replaced. If you don't need the high end performance that comes with a higher end, more expensive shock, I'd just stick with the OME coils and be done with it.

Depending on what model you have (DC or AC), you should expect to get around 2.5" of lift from OME 885 coils. On an unloaded truck, I wouldn't expect to get a lot of sag out of the coils (if you off road a lot, you might get some).

A good UCA would be the Light Racing setup. If you want to spend some more money (or if you get extended travel shocks), then you could research the uniball UCA's.

For the rear, search Dakar for the thread created by OZ-T where people have been posting up their rear measurements with the Dakar leaf pack.
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thanks for the reply, i hve read oz-t's build and thats where i got the info on rear sitting higher then front and also bjmoose's build, so i guess extended travel would mean bad for cv boot when offroading, i plan to off road its just that i dont want to break easily if i try something supid, cause i would want to fix it;i dont plan to rock crawling or making jumps at this time but i may want chg the bumper in ther future;so does it make a difference if you have a cover on your shocks or not;
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thanks for the reply, i hve read oz-t's build and thats where i got the info on rear sitting higher then front and also bjmoose's build, so i guess extended travel would mean bad for cv boot when offroading, i plan to off road its just that i dont want to break easily if i try something supid, cause i would want to fix it;i dont plan to rock crawling or making jumps at this time but i may want chg the bumper in ther future;so does it make a difference if you have a cover on your shocks or not;
Extended travel would not necessarily mean bad for CV's. Extended travel gives you more down travel, which is why you should use a uniball style UCA with them. During normal travel, they will look and act like any other shock, the difference is the extended travel range which allows them to droop further than standard shocks. If you run say a stock UCA with an extended travel shock, you could cause binding or damage to the ball joint.

The more expensive shocks have a threaded collar on them so it makes it easier to adjust the preload down the road when you add your plate bumper or skids. With the OME kit, if your current setup sags, you either need to change the coils or go with 5100's where you can kick them up to the .85 setting.

To be honest, I'm not sure how important the plastic shields are, or how much they do for protection. They will keep direct salt spray and rocks from hitting the shaft but dust will still get in there.

For the price, the OME kit is tough to beat. It holds up very well to abuse and rides nice on the road. It doesn't have the performance attributes of a more expensive coil over kit but for more people who aren't jumping or desert running, it'll do just fine.
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thanks bro, b4 i was trying to so i wouldnt know how to fix it; i dont know where that want came from,lol, my armada started making this sound from last time i took if off roading to see what it can do and there was a snap sound on the trail and ever since it was making a loud sound like something was loose; after 2 months i finally found out that it is muffler hanger rubbing on the mount... so that tells you how much i know about cars; i have learned a lot from tw which makes me feel confident on doing some work myself for the guy who only knew how to fill up gas and change oil; thanks again
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I don't think you will be disappointed with the OME kit. I've had mine for 3 months and love it.
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Running extended travel shocks without a uniball UCA does NOT result in anymore damage than running a factory set up as both are limited by ball joint travel. The OME has more travel than stock and it dioes not matter what UCA you pair with OME. I use Desert Products Uniball UCA. Light Racing allows for more adjustment, costs less, and it maint free... its just not as strong.

If you don't do highspeed desert running you have no use for Icon. Save your money.
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Running extended travel shocks without a uniball UCA does NOT result in anymore damage than running a factory set up as both are limited by ball joint travel. The OME has more travel than stock and it dioes not matter what UCA you pair with OME. I use Desert Products Uniball UCA. Light Racing allows for more adjustment, costs less, and it maint free... its just not as strong.

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Assuming you're going to buy an extended travel shock with the intent to actually use it, you can cause damage because, like you said, the ball joint will limit the travel. With a uniball UCA, the ball joint won't be limiting factor so you actually get extended travel.

As for stock setup, I'm not 100% sold that the ball joint is what limits the travel vs shock topout. If the ball joint hit the end of it's range of motion before the shock topped out, you wouldn't be able to install shocks without compressing the coil or loosening the UCA/LCA bolts. Since that's not the case, I don't believe the ball joint is what limits travel. If it was, you'd probably break it fairly easily.
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Thanks guys.looks like ome with UCA is the way to go.
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Assuming you're going to buy an extended travel shock with the intent to actually use it, you can cause damage because, like you said, the ball joint will limit the travel. With a uniball UCA, the ball joint won't be limiting factor so you actually get extended travel.

As for stock setup, I'm not 100% sold that the ball joint is what limits the travel vs shock topout. If the ball joint hit the end of it's range of motion before the shock topped out, you wouldn't be able to install shocks without compressing the coil or loosening the UCA/LCA bolts. Since that's not the case, I don't believe the ball joint is what limits travel. If it was, you'd probably break it fairly easily.
Sorry, you are incorrect on both counts. Stock UCA is limit of travel. With Uniball UCA the Uniball is still the limiting factor with extended travel coilovers or shocks. As far as shock install... the shocks are installed as a unit with coils and require the use of a spring compressor for that reason. Did you install your own lift? It is real obvious what limits travel once you pull the coiliver assebly and let it go to full droop with the stock UCA and them later with the Uniball UCA. Then reinstall coilover an look at full droop... its the same droop, limited by the UCA.
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Sorry, you are incorrect on both counts. Stock UCA is limit of travel. With Uniball UCA the Uniball is still the limiting factor with extended travel coilovers or shocks. As far as shock install... the shocks are installed as a unit with coils and require the use of a spring compressor for that reason. Did you install your own lift? It is real obvious what limits travel once you pull the coiliver assebly and let it go to full droop with the stock UCA and them later with the Uniball UCA. Then reinstall coilover an look at full droop... its the same droop, limited by the UCA.
I did install my own lift and did not require a spring compressor to install the assembled shock and coil assembly (the spring compressor is only required to get the top plate on the shock, it's has nothing to do with the install of an assembled coilover)... I also didn't have to loosen the UCA or LCA bolts which means the UCA can not be what limits travel. If it was, you would need to compress the coil in order for it to even fit into the space between the LCA and the shock mount (because the shock is topped out when you install). Obviously, if you pull the shock out, the control arm ball joints will limit travel because that's all that's left. With the shock in place (a standard travel shock in place), I don't believe you are correct based on the geometry of the system and the reasons I mentioned above.
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My OME 885x and nitro charger assembly could not be installed without using the spring compressor to wedge it in AND I had to loosen the UCA. The shocks could have extended even more than my max droop. If you didn't use a spring compressor or unbolt the UCA I dont see how you got it in there.
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My OME 885x and nitro charger assembly could not be installed without using the spring compressor to wedge it in AND I had to loosen the UCA. The shocks could have extended even more than my max droop. If you didn't use a spring compressor or unbolt the UCA I dont see how you got it in there.
I was installing Eibachs on 5100's with a 1/4" top plate (on the driver's side). All I had to do was remove the sway bar and I think I undid the tie rod end to get it out of the way, then just pry down on the UCA to overcome the bushings holding everything in place and it popped in. I purchased everything pre-assembled.

The bushings will hold the UCA and LCA in place and make it seem like you're at the end of the travel range. In your case, it's possible that the Nitrochargers are longer than the 5100's but I always thought they operated within the same travel range more or less.
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My OME 885x and nitro charger assembly could not be installed without using the spring compressor to wedge it
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The coilover assebly into position to attach the lower bolt.


And my OME are longer than my stock shocks front and rear. The rear more than the front.
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The coilover assebly into position to attach the lower bolt.
We didn't have to do that when we installed my 885 / Nitrocharger set up
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We didn't have to do that when we installed my 885 / Nitrocharger set up
Same with my OME 885s. Just put the top in first, then push down on the LCA if you need another 1/8" of room. Mine went in without a problem at all.
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Same with my OME 885s. Just put the top in first, then push down on the LCA if you need another 1/8" of room. Mine went in without a problem at all.
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The coilover assebly into position to attach the lower bolt.


And my OME are longer than my stock shocks front and rear. The rear more than the front.
It's a lift kit. Lol. That's how it works.
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It's a lift kit. Lol. That's how it works.
No, that's not how lift kits work. The shocks aren't what is providing the lift, the coils or leafs are. The shocks dictate how much travel you have and they dampen the ride. 5100's are stock length and, when paired with the correct coils or preloaded stock coils, will provide lift. The shocks themselves aren't any longer than stock.
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