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Old 10-04-2012, 01:05 PM   #22
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the only thing that has me worries is if the second shock wont fit with maxtrac spindles
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Old 10-04-2012, 01:08 PM   #23
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I'm sure they left the stock lca out of the picture on purpose . LOL .
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If I remember right the LCA SKID is what mounts the second shoock, not the LCA itself. So the only thing in my mind that could happen is the weld failing between the skid and the LCA. And that doesn't worry me very much. Welds is strong. I could be wrong though, it's happened once before.
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The OE LCA's are poop. That's why Toyota just swaps them out if you need bushings or a BJ. I have seen (on the web) more then a few fail and when I say fail I mean the tube around the bushing totally tore in half due to stress cracks similar to a LT kit some people have had the same issue with.

IMHO I would never rock stock LCA's if you plan on truly beating your rig at high speed.

If it's just for looks then it sounds like the perfect mall crawling kit.

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Hey one of you guys in here might know, why isn't 4WD's can'd do spindle lifts, what is different on the spindle?
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Hey one of you guys in here might know, why isn't 4WD's can'd do spindle lifts, what is different on the spindle?

my only guess would be the angle of the cv if you put in a lift spindle
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Old 10-04-2012, 06:03 PM   #29
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Hey one of you guys in here might know, why isn't 4WD's can'd do spindle lifts, what is different on the spindle?
Basically, the outer cv and axle will go through the LCA if you keep the OE suspension geometry. 2wd spindles keep the OE geometry, and bolt right up.
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here's some pics for you guys. saw this set up in person today at the expo. looks great (this was on a 2012 tacoma)





and 2 more new products from icon. bolt on hydro bumps and OE replacement rear bypass shocks

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Hmm Un sure on the skid. I want second shock but I like how the bamf skid protects the lca better.
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hmmmmm that looks interesting. im liking those rear bypass
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Old 10-09-2012, 12:27 AM   #33
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Shocks also have knobs for adjustment, this is new also right?
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and 2 more new products from icon. bolt on hydro bumps and OE replacement rear bypass shocks
why did they add another stock bump stop under the original one? somethings goofy

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Hmm Un sure on the skid. I want second shock but I like how the bamf skid protects the lca better.
The bamf skid is of poor design IMHO. That steel that protects the "cam" will only bend under any impact and cause more damage most likely + his skids have poor tolerances and are spaced back 1/2" - 3/4" from the LCA or at least the first 70 he made in his group buy were. The first rock you touch shears the mounting bolts because of the huge gap. IMHO the LCA skid should have super tight tolerances so it can be welded to the LCA for superior protection. This will also allow the bolt on guys to not sheer mounting bolts should they impact anything because the force will be directed into the LCA not rest solely on the bolts holding it.

I would bet my paycheck the Icon skid would far outlast a Bamf skid any day unless the Bamf design has been changed. You can clearly see the Icon skid is flush tot he LCA.
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The bamf skid is of poor design IMHO. That steel that protects the "cam" will only bend under any impact and cause more damage most likely + his skids have poor tolerances and are spaced back 1/2" - 3/4" from the LCA or at least the first 70 he made in his group buy were. The first rock you touch shears the mounting bolts because of the huge gap. IMHO the LCA skid should have super tight tolerances so it can be welded to the LCA for superior protection. This will also allow the bolt on guys to not sheer mounting bolts should they impact anything because the force will be directed into the LCA not rest solely on the bolts holding it.

I would bet my paycheck the Icon skid would far outlast a Bamf skid any day unless the Bamf design has been changed. You can clearly see the Icon skid is flush tot he LCA.


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now im even more unsure of what i want haha
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The bamf skid is of poor design IMHO. That steel that protects the "cam" will only bend under any impact and cause more damage most likely + his skids have poor tolerances and are spaced back 1/2" - 3/4" from the LCA or at least the first 70 he made in his group buy were. The first rock you touch shears the mounting bolts because of the huge gap. IMHO the LCA skid should have super tight tolerances so it can be welded to the LCA for superior protection. This will also allow the bolt on guys to not sheer mounting bolts should they impact anything because the force will be directed into the LCA not rest solely on the bolts holding it.

I would bet my paycheck the Icon skid would far outlast a Bamf skid any day unless the Bamf design has been changed. You can clearly see the Icon skid is flush tot he LCA.

I thought about what you said when you Pmed me about it and I'm leaving the skids the way they are. I would much rather have the bolts as a failure point then the LCA It self. With over 200 sold and one "failure" and from ramming rocks at that something is bound to give. In this case it was the bolts and the alignment of his LCA's was still spot on so I feel they did their jobs. I myself would much rather replace a .25c carriage bolt then get the alignment redone. Yes everything has a failure point and putting skids on your truck does not turn it into a battering ram. Honestly if your bashing your LCA's into rocks you need to chose your lines better. I still feel my skids have the most coverage on the market today but thanks for the opinion.
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I thought about what you said when you Pmed me about it and I'm leaving the skids the way they are. I would much rather have the bolts as a failure point then the LCA It self. With over 200 sold and one "failure" and from ramming rocks at that something is bound to give. In this case it was the bolts and the alignment of his LCA's was still spot on so I feel they did their jobs. I myself would much rather replace a .25c carriage bolt then get the alignment redone. Yes everything has a failure point and putting skids on your truck does not turn it into a battering ram. Honestly if your bashing your LCA's into rocks you need to chose your lines better. I still feel my skids have the most coverage on the market today but thanks for the opinion.

good point

i dont rock crawl. but going through the washes in the desert can be a rock dodging event especially at speed when you get human head sized rocks in the middle of your path.
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good point

i dont rock crawl. but going through the washes in the desert can be a rock dodging event especially at speed when you get human head sized rocks in the middle of your path.
Honestly then i would just replace the LCA's all together no skids are going to protect you at high speeds like that the force will be transferred to the LCA anyway you look at it. I have been thinking of designing a replacement LCA for the mid travel guys i think TC has one for you guys don't they?
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His BAMF skids are made of 1/4 inch steel, it's takes a LOT of force to bend these things. The amount needed to wreck these skids would do serious damage to your truck regardless. There is nothing wrong with how he designed the cam bolt protection, if it gets bent back, the back of the plate would come in contact with the end of the cam bolt, that's it. If you managed to damage the cam bolt with the skid, chances are the amount of force needed to do that kind of damage would have rendered having a skid a moot point, it wouldn't have mattered anyway.
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I thought about what you said when you Pmed me about it and I'm leaving the skids the way they are. I would much rather have the bolts as a failure point then the LCA It self. With over 200 sold and one "failure" and from ramming rocks at that something is bound to give. In this case it was the bolts and the alignment of his LCA's was still spot on so I feel they did their jobs. I myself would much rather replace a .25c carriage bolt then get the alignment redone. Yes everything has a failure point and putting skids on your truck does not turn it into a battering ram. Honestly if your bashing your LCA's into rocks you need to chose your lines better. I still feel my skids have the most coverage on the market today but thanks for the opinion.

I know keeping loose tolerances makes for quicker production and less issues with fitment from customers but IMO I don't see any use for them if they aren't made to hit rocks without shearing bolts. If it can't take a hit whats the purpose of them? Bling?

My TC skids have been on for almost 3 years and have bashed off of plenty of stuff including many rocks. Craig's BAMF LCA skids were highly "damaged" and falling off after one hard run.

We can agree to disagree on this one.
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