Mike "Wuzzy121". Rest in peace, brother

Go Back   Tacoma World Forums > Tacoma Garage > Suspension

Notices

Old Man Emu: Questions, Answers & Pictures

Reply
 
Referenced Products Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 05-14-2013, 07:40 PM   #1521
Baja runner
SEMAtaco is on a distinguished road
Joined: May 2013, #104165
Location: SOCal
Gender: Male
Posts: 14
SEMAtaco's Tacoma Gallery
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Yellow Dart View Post
Hey everyone.

I just bought my OME kit with 886/9000 Nitrochargers up front, N182 and ToyTec AAL in the back.

Is this something I can install myself? I haven't had much experience wrenching vehicles outside of changing tires, oil and a few minor mods here and there. Or should I seek the advice of a professional?

I don't currently have new UCAs. Should I hold off on installing it until I get those, or can I run it as-is for a while and then upgrade the UCAs when I have a little more jingle in my pocket? (bathroom renovation gets in the way of everything)

Thanks for the advice.

EDIT: The coils are already assembled as I bought them off a guy on here.
Do you have additional weight like an aftermarket bumper and winch? The 886 coils are designed for over 200 lbs additional weight on the front end without that weight the ride will be awful stiff and you could damage front end components from too much lift. You will not be able to set your front alignment either which will wear tires too.
  Reply With Quote
Old 05-14-2013, 08:50 PM   #1522
Stay Calm, and Fire For Effect
YOTA LOVER is one of the sharper tools in the shedYOTA LOVER is one of the sharper tools in the shedYOTA LOVER is one of the sharper tools in the shedYOTA LOVER is one of the sharper tools in the shedYOTA LOVER is one of the sharper tools in the shedYOTA LOVER is one of the sharper tools in the shedYOTA LOVER is one of the sharper tools in the shedYOTA LOVER is one of the sharper tools in the shedYOTA LOVER is one of the sharper tools in the shedYOTA LOVER is one of the sharper tools in the shedYOTA LOVER is one of the sharper tools in the shed
 
YOTA LOVER's Avatar
Army: Training NCO, B Btry, 3-197th FA
Name: Chris
Joined: Jul 2012, #82814
Location: NH
Age: 36
Gender: Male
Posts: 3,813
YOTA LOVER's Tacoma Gallery
Quote:
Originally Posted by SEMAtaco View Post
Do you have additional weight like an aftermarket bumper and winch? The 886 coils are designed for over 200 lbs additional weight on the front end without that weight the ride will be awful stiff and you could damage front end components from too much lift. You will not be able to set your front alignment either which will wear tires too.
I put 886s in mine with no weight for over a year. Slightly stiff (corner like a race car) but otherwise rode fine. They don't make the lift higher without the extra weight, it's still right about 2". The difference is that they are harder to compress in order to take the extra weight. It's not at all like a coilover where the spring is pre compressed in the strut to make lift.

He won't have a hard time getting an alignment unless he adds the spacers and pushes over 2". Again, I put in 886 and not a problem getting aligned.

As far as the spacers go: read back a couple of pages. We just had this discussion.
  Reply With Quote
Old 05-14-2013, 08:56 PM   #1523
Senior Member
evanmb31 is one of the sharper tools in the shedevanmb31 is one of the sharper tools in the shedevanmb31 is one of the sharper tools in the shedevanmb31 is one of the sharper tools in the shedevanmb31 is one of the sharper tools in the shedevanmb31 is one of the sharper tools in the shedevanmb31 is one of the sharper tools in the shedevanmb31 is one of the sharper tools in the shedevanmb31 is one of the sharper tools in the shedevanmb31 is one of the sharper tools in the shedevanmb31 is one of the sharper tools in the shed
 
evanmb31's Avatar
Name: evan
Joined: Jan 2012, #70729
Location: connecticut
Age: 27
Gender: Male
Posts: 7,215
evanmb31's Tacoma Gallery
886s should yield a little more lift compared to 885s, even disregarding spring rate 886s are 6mm longer IIRC. Which means without extra weight they should yield 1/4-1/2" more lift than 885s. Its suprising you only got about 2" of lift with 886s, i ended up at or a little over 2.5" of lift with 885s no top plate spacers.
  Reply With Quote
Old 05-14-2013, 09:08 PM   #1524
I've done... questionable things.
OZ-T is one of the sharper tools in the shedOZ-T is one of the sharper tools in the shedOZ-T is one of the sharper tools in the shedOZ-T is one of the sharper tools in the shedOZ-T is one of the sharper tools in the shedOZ-T is one of the sharper tools in the shedOZ-T is one of the sharper tools in the shedOZ-T is one of the sharper tools in the shedOZ-T is one of the sharper tools in the shedOZ-T is one of the sharper tools in the shedOZ-T is one of the sharper tools in the shed
 
OZ-T's Avatar
Name: Peter North
Joined: Dec 2009, #27584
Location: British Columbia
Gender: Dude
Posts: 6,339
OZ-T's Tacoma Gallery
Quote:
Originally Posted by evanmb31 View Post
886s should yield a little more lift compared to 885s, even disregarding spring rate 886s are 6mm longer IIRC. Which means without extra weight they should yield 1/4-1/2" more lift than 885s. Its suprising you only got about 2" of lift with 886s, i ended up at or a little over 2.5" of lift with 885s no top plate spacers.
Yes
  Reply With Quote
Old 05-14-2013, 09:17 PM   #1525
Stay Calm, and Fire For Effect
YOTA LOVER is one of the sharper tools in the shedYOTA LOVER is one of the sharper tools in the shedYOTA LOVER is one of the sharper tools in the shedYOTA LOVER is one of the sharper tools in the shedYOTA LOVER is one of the sharper tools in the shedYOTA LOVER is one of the sharper tools in the shedYOTA LOVER is one of the sharper tools in the shedYOTA LOVER is one of the sharper tools in the shedYOTA LOVER is one of the sharper tools in the shedYOTA LOVER is one of the sharper tools in the shedYOTA LOVER is one of the sharper tools in the shed
 
YOTA LOVER's Avatar
Army: Training NCO, B Btry, 3-197th FA
Name: Chris
Joined: Jul 2012, #82814
Location: NH
Age: 36
Gender: Male
Posts: 3,813
YOTA LOVER's Tacoma Gallery
Quote:
Originally Posted by evanmb31 View Post
886s should yield a little more lift compared to 885s, even disregarding spring rate 886s are 6mm longer IIRC. Which means without extra weight they should yield 1/4-1/2" more lift than 885s. Its suprising you only got about 2" of lift with 886s, i ended up at or a little over 2.5" of lift with 885s no top plate spacers.
Ok, half an inch, maybe 3/4 if we want to be safe. Didn't encounter any ride, vibes, or alignment issues. And now nowhere near those numbers all armored up.
  Reply With Quote
Old 05-15-2013, 03:59 AM   #1526
Senior Member
evanmb31 is one of the sharper tools in the shedevanmb31 is one of the sharper tools in the shedevanmb31 is one of the sharper tools in the shedevanmb31 is one of the sharper tools in the shedevanmb31 is one of the sharper tools in the shedevanmb31 is one of the sharper tools in the shedevanmb31 is one of the sharper tools in the shedevanmb31 is one of the sharper tools in the shedevanmb31 is one of the sharper tools in the shedevanmb31 is one of the sharper tools in the shedevanmb31 is one of the sharper tools in the shed
 
evanmb31's Avatar
Name: evan
Joined: Jan 2012, #70729
Location: connecticut
Age: 27
Gender: Male
Posts: 7,215
evanmb31's Tacoma Gallery
Quote:
Originally Posted by YOTA LOVER View Post
Ok, half an inch, maybe 3/4 if we want to be safe. Didn't encounter any ride, vibes, or alignment issues. And now nowhere near those numbers all armored up.
Nice, you are one of the lucky ones. Now with full armor 2" sounds about right. Just wanted to clarify in my previuos post, there is alot of misinformation on OME lifts, not necessarily on this site, but alot of vendors still refer to a OME lift as a 2" lift, even with 886s.
  Reply With Quote
Old 05-16-2013, 01:06 PM   #1528
Stay Calm, and Fire For Effect
YOTA LOVER is one of the sharper tools in the shedYOTA LOVER is one of the sharper tools in the shedYOTA LOVER is one of the sharper tools in the shedYOTA LOVER is one of the sharper tools in the shedYOTA LOVER is one of the sharper tools in the shedYOTA LOVER is one of the sharper tools in the shedYOTA LOVER is one of the sharper tools in the shedYOTA LOVER is one of the sharper tools in the shedYOTA LOVER is one of the sharper tools in the shedYOTA LOVER is one of the sharper tools in the shedYOTA LOVER is one of the sharper tools in the shed
 
YOTA LOVER's Avatar
Army: Training NCO, B Btry, 3-197th FA
Name: Chris
Joined: Jul 2012, #82814
Location: NH
Age: 36
Gender: Male
Posts: 3,813
YOTA LOVER's Tacoma Gallery
Quote:
Originally Posted by evanmb31 View Post
Nice, you are one of the lucky ones. Now with full armor 2" sounds about right. Just wanted to clarify in my previuos post, there is alot of misinformation on OME lifts, not necessarily on this site, but alot of vendors still refer to a OME lift as a 2" lift, even with 886s.
The rear sits 1 1/2" higher than the front now. Friggin old 886s. When those 13mm spacers show up my rake should be 1/2-3/4"... Perfection
  Reply With Quote
Old 05-16-2013, 02:34 PM   #1529
Member
buffalojay is on a distinguished road
 
buffalojay's Avatar
Joined: Aug 2012, #84013
Location: Albuquerque
Gender: Male
Posts: 71
buffalojay's Tacoma Gallery
Quote:
Originally Posted by YOTA LOVER View Post
You'll get your 2", and probably a little more. The tires will work on stock wheels. If you start messing with the offset of the wheels that changes the game. UCAs not necessary unless you cannot get the front end realigned properly, in which case you'll need them. A lot of guys do them anyway when installing the lift. I couldn't tell you the difference in the shocks. Also consider the front spring in regards to additional weight you might add ( bumpers, skids, etc) or already have.
Thanks for the info. I don't plan on messing with the offset would that be something I'd have to do if I put that size of tire on?
  Reply With Quote
Old 05-16-2013, 03:57 PM   #1530
Stay Calm, and Fire For Effect
YOTA LOVER is one of the sharper tools in the shedYOTA LOVER is one of the sharper tools in the shedYOTA LOVER is one of the sharper tools in the shedYOTA LOVER is one of the sharper tools in the shedYOTA LOVER is one of the sharper tools in the shedYOTA LOVER is one of the sharper tools in the shedYOTA LOVER is one of the sharper tools in the shedYOTA LOVER is one of the sharper tools in the shedYOTA LOVER is one of the sharper tools in the shedYOTA LOVER is one of the sharper tools in the shedYOTA LOVER is one of the sharper tools in the shed
 
YOTA LOVER's Avatar
Army: Training NCO, B Btry, 3-197th FA
Name: Chris
Joined: Jul 2012, #82814
Location: NH
Age: 36
Gender: Male
Posts: 3,813
YOTA LOVER's Tacoma Gallery
Quote:
Originally Posted by buffalojay View Post
Thanks for the info. I don't plan on messing with the offset would that be something I'd have to do if I put that size of tire on?
Offset is a whole different beast. If you're on stock wheels you can safely run a ~32" tire so long as it is 10" or less in width. You may get a little rub at full compression and full steer up front, but no problems daily driving. For example, I couldn't go any bigger or wider without serious problems on the trail.

Aftermarket wheels sometimes require a BS to clear the rotors or calipers, etc., and it's best to consult the wheel gurus to ensure proper fitment.

If you couldn't tell, wheel and tire sizing isn't my forte.
  Reply With Quote
Old 05-16-2013, 08:12 PM   #1531
I've done... questionable things.
OZ-T is one of the sharper tools in the shedOZ-T is one of the sharper tools in the shedOZ-T is one of the sharper tools in the shedOZ-T is one of the sharper tools in the shedOZ-T is one of the sharper tools in the shedOZ-T is one of the sharper tools in the shedOZ-T is one of the sharper tools in the shedOZ-T is one of the sharper tools in the shedOZ-T is one of the sharper tools in the shedOZ-T is one of the sharper tools in the shedOZ-T is one of the sharper tools in the shed
 
OZ-T's Avatar
Name: Peter North
Joined: Dec 2009, #27584
Location: British Columbia
Gender: Dude
Posts: 6,339
OZ-T's Tacoma Gallery
Quote:
Originally Posted by 4Wheelin4Banger View Post
Yes.
Not trying to bust your balls but you never answered my question , at 1 3/4" off the stock bumps and sitting on the OME overloads , weren't you putting your leafs into negative arch and risking something similar to this issue ?

http://www.tacomaworld.com/forum/sho...84#post6897284
  Reply With Quote
Old 05-16-2013, 08:16 PM   #1532
Senior Member
evanmb31 is one of the sharper tools in the shedevanmb31 is one of the sharper tools in the shedevanmb31 is one of the sharper tools in the shedevanmb31 is one of the sharper tools in the shedevanmb31 is one of the sharper tools in the shedevanmb31 is one of the sharper tools in the shedevanmb31 is one of the sharper tools in the shedevanmb31 is one of the sharper tools in the shedevanmb31 is one of the sharper tools in the shedevanmb31 is one of the sharper tools in the shedevanmb31 is one of the sharper tools in the shed
 
evanmb31's Avatar
Name: evan
Joined: Jan 2012, #70729
Location: connecticut
Age: 27
Gender: Male
Posts: 7,215
evanmb31's Tacoma Gallery
I dont think the nitros can bottom out before hitting the bumpstops.
  Reply With Quote
Old 05-16-2013, 08:18 PM   #1533
I've done... questionable things.
OZ-T is one of the sharper tools in the shedOZ-T is one of the sharper tools in the shedOZ-T is one of the sharper tools in the shedOZ-T is one of the sharper tools in the shedOZ-T is one of the sharper tools in the shedOZ-T is one of the sharper tools in the shedOZ-T is one of the sharper tools in the shedOZ-T is one of the sharper tools in the shedOZ-T is one of the sharper tools in the shedOZ-T is one of the sharper tools in the shedOZ-T is one of the sharper tools in the shed
 
OZ-T's Avatar
Name: Peter North
Joined: Dec 2009, #27584
Location: British Columbia
Gender: Dude
Posts: 6,339
OZ-T's Tacoma Gallery
Quote:
Originally Posted by evanmb31 View Post
I dont think the nitros can bottom out before hitting the bumpstops.
With the the Dakar leafs on the overloads , and still 1 3/4" off the stock bumps , the leafs have to be in negative arch , no ?
  Reply With Quote
Old 05-16-2013, 08:23 PM   #1534
Senior Member
evanmb31 is one of the sharper tools in the shedevanmb31 is one of the sharper tools in the shedevanmb31 is one of the sharper tools in the shedevanmb31 is one of the sharper tools in the shedevanmb31 is one of the sharper tools in the shedevanmb31 is one of the sharper tools in the shedevanmb31 is one of the sharper tools in the shedevanmb31 is one of the sharper tools in the shedevanmb31 is one of the sharper tools in the shedevanmb31 is one of the sharper tools in the shedevanmb31 is one of the sharper tools in the shed
 
evanmb31's Avatar
Name: evan
Joined: Jan 2012, #70729
Location: connecticut
Age: 27
Gender: Male
Posts: 7,215
evanmb31's Tacoma Gallery
Quote:
Originally Posted by OZ-T View Post
With the the leafs on the overloads , and still 1 3/4" off the stock bumps , the leafs have to be in negative arch , no ?
Ya sounds about right. I have put mine in negative arch, but thats when flexing them, not a constant load. The title of the thread you linked was shock bottoming out, i thought that is what you were talking about...i didn't read the thread
  Reply With Quote
Old 05-16-2013, 08:26 PM   #1535
I've done... questionable things.
OZ-T is one of the sharper tools in the shedOZ-T is one of the sharper tools in the shedOZ-T is one of the sharper tools in the shedOZ-T is one of the sharper tools in the shedOZ-T is one of the sharper tools in the shedOZ-T is one of the sharper tools in the shedOZ-T is one of the sharper tools in the shedOZ-T is one of the sharper tools in the shedOZ-T is one of the sharper tools in the shedOZ-T is one of the sharper tools in the shedOZ-T is one of the sharper tools in the shed
 
OZ-T's Avatar
Name: Peter North
Joined: Dec 2009, #27584
Location: British Columbia
Gender: Dude
Posts: 6,339
OZ-T's Tacoma Gallery
Quote:
Originally Posted by evanmb31 View Post
Ya sounds about right. I have put mine in negative arch, but thats when flexing them, not a constant load. The title of the thread you linked was shock bottoming out, i thought that is what you were talking about...i didn't read the thread
I was talking about both points

The reason I went to the Superbumps was to keep from going into neg arch
  Reply With Quote
Old 05-16-2013, 08:32 PM   #1536
Senior Member
evanmb31 is one of the sharper tools in the shedevanmb31 is one of the sharper tools in the shedevanmb31 is one of the sharper tools in the shedevanmb31 is one of the sharper tools in the shedevanmb31 is one of the sharper tools in the shedevanmb31 is one of the sharper tools in the shedevanmb31 is one of the sharper tools in the shedevanmb31 is one of the sharper tools in the shedevanmb31 is one of the sharper tools in the shedevanmb31 is one of the sharper tools in the shedevanmb31 is one of the sharper tools in the shed
 
evanmb31's Avatar
Name: evan
Joined: Jan 2012, #70729
Location: connecticut
Age: 27
Gender: Male
Posts: 7,215
evanmb31's Tacoma Gallery
Quote:
Originally Posted by OZ-T View Post
I was talking about both points

The reason I went to the Superbumps was to keep from going into neg arch
According to this thread (i don't know how accurate this info is) the rear nitrochargers have about the same collapsed length as the factory rear shocks. I have been on the bumpstops with the factory suspension and had no damage to the shocks. So i don't think the shocks are at risk but putting leaf springs into negative arch probably reduces the life of them and will lead to sagging.
  Reply With Quote
Old 05-16-2013, 09:12 PM   #1537
Stay Calm, and Fire For Effect
YOTA LOVER is one of the sharper tools in the shedYOTA LOVER is one of the sharper tools in the shedYOTA LOVER is one of the sharper tools in the shedYOTA LOVER is one of the sharper tools in the shedYOTA LOVER is one of the sharper tools in the shedYOTA LOVER is one of the sharper tools in the shedYOTA LOVER is one of the sharper tools in the shedYOTA LOVER is one of the sharper tools in the shedYOTA LOVER is one of the sharper tools in the shedYOTA LOVER is one of the sharper tools in the shedYOTA LOVER is one of the sharper tools in the shed
 
YOTA LOVER's Avatar
Army: Training NCO, B Btry, 3-197th FA
Name: Chris
Joined: Jul 2012, #82814
Location: NH
Age: 36
Gender: Male
Posts: 3,813
YOTA LOVER's Tacoma Gallery
Quote:
Originally Posted by evanmb31 View Post
According to this thread (i don't know how accurate this info is) the rear nitrochargers have about the same collapsed length as the factory rear shocks. I have been on the bumpstops with the factory suspension and had no damage to the shocks. So i don't think the shocks are at risk but putting leaf springs into negative arch probably reduces the life of them and will lead to sagging.
Sounds legit to me. Flexing the springs into the negative can happen on the trail, or hauling way too much... But it's best not to let that situation persist. If the spring is loaded into the negative for long duration you begin to effect the memory of the steel, and as you stated, weaken it and reduce its effectiveness. And I would agree, so long as you aren't damaging the shock its not the end of the world to flex down to the bump stop.
  Reply With Quote
Old 05-16-2013, 09:15 PM   #1538
I've done... questionable things.
OZ-T is one of the sharper tools in the shedOZ-T is one of the sharper tools in the shedOZ-T is one of the sharper tools in the shedOZ-T is one of the sharper tools in the shedOZ-T is one of the sharper tools in the shedOZ-T is one of the sharper tools in the shedOZ-T is one of the sharper tools in the shedOZ-T is one of the sharper tools in the shedOZ-T is one of the sharper tools in the shedOZ-T is one of the sharper tools in the shedOZ-T is one of the sharper tools in the shed
 
OZ-T's Avatar
Name: Peter North
Joined: Dec 2009, #27584
Location: British Columbia
Gender: Dude
Posts: 6,339
OZ-T's Tacoma Gallery
If you lift the rear 3" , shouldn't you raise the bumps a similar amount ?
  Reply With Quote
Old 05-16-2013, 09:20 PM   #1539
Stay Calm, and Fire For Effect
YOTA LOVER is one of the sharper tools in the shedYOTA LOVER is one of the sharper tools in the shedYOTA LOVER is one of the sharper tools in the shedYOTA LOVER is one of the sharper tools in the shedYOTA LOVER is one of the sharper tools in the shedYOTA LOVER is one of the sharper tools in the shedYOTA LOVER is one of the sharper tools in the shedYOTA LOVER is one of the sharper tools in the shedYOTA LOVER is one of the sharper tools in the shedYOTA LOVER is one of the sharper tools in the shedYOTA LOVER is one of the sharper tools in the shed
 
YOTA LOVER's Avatar
Army: Training NCO, B Btry, 3-197th FA
Name: Chris
Joined: Jul 2012, #82814
Location: NH
Age: 36
Gender: Male
Posts: 3,813
YOTA LOVER's Tacoma Gallery
Quote:
Originally Posted by OZ-T View Post
If you lift the rear 3" , shouldn't you raise the bumps a similar amount ?
Sounds good in theory, but I think we'd have to confer with the manufacturer or stress test a set ourselves to get actual data.

At 2" there isn't a ghost fart's chance in hell I'm sticking some silly looking 2" stops on my springs. However, I think the manufacturer would supply them or recommend you buy them if they had a history of problems.

*And then there's the limit on flex you could achieve with giants bumps.
  Reply With Quote
Old 05-16-2013, 09:27 PM   #1540
I've done... questionable things.
OZ-T is one of the sharper tools in the shedOZ-T is one of the sharper tools in the shedOZ-T is one of the sharper tools in the shedOZ-T is one of the sharper tools in the shedOZ-T is one of the sharper tools in the shedOZ-T is one of the sharper tools in the shedOZ-T is one of the sharper tools in the shedOZ-T is one of the sharper tools in the shedOZ-T is one of the sharper tools in the shedOZ-T is one of the sharper tools in the shedOZ-T is one of the sharper tools in the shed
 
OZ-T's Avatar
Name: Peter North
Joined: Dec 2009, #27584
Location: British Columbia
Gender: Dude
Posts: 6,339
OZ-T's Tacoma Gallery
Quote:
Originally Posted by YOTA LOVER View Post
Sounds good in theory, but I think we'd have to confer with the manufacturer or stress test a set ourselves to get actual data.

At 2" there isn't a ghost fart's chance in hell I'm sticking some silly looking 2" stops on my springs. However, I think the manufacturer would supply them or recommend you buy them if they had a history of problems.

*And then there's the limit on flex you could achieve with giants bumps.
The Superbumps compress to stock height , the towers may limit some travel
  Reply With Quote
Reply

Products Discussed in this Thread

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
old man emu.. nastyblowpop 2nd Gen. Tacomas 13 04-08-2014 08:41 AM
Old Man Emu Justin Suspension 52 02-27-2014 02:32 AM
Newbie, old man emu installed questions cheap99 Suspension 3 11-01-2012 04:37 PM
WTB: Old Man Emu N91s & N85 tundrafan05 1st Gen Tacoma Marketplace 0 10-24-2012 03:40 PM
Old man Emu c0b2a Suspension 7 10-06-2008 05:25 PM


Copyright © 2014 Tacoma Forum. Tacoma World is not owned by, or affiliated with Toyota Motor Corporation.