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Old 09-11-2013, 12:09 PM   #41
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In addition to Kase's respone, you will also attain more travel than the baja setup, given aftermarket arms.

while the baja setup is nice, it is tuned for a stock vehicle. as soon as you change something, such as weight from a bumper or something, you are out of luck. the degraded handling characteristics are hard to get back to where they were before a bumper or other modification. aftermarket coilovers have give you the ability to adjust as much as you please. while wheel travel is great, propper tuning is far more important. when ordering aftermarket coilovers, you also have the option to get them built speciffically for your needs, to eliminate the tuning work on your end. this turns the system into a purely bolt-on setup, with the same ease of install as the baja setup.

unrelated to fox/king/icon/etc, you also mentioned that the baja is a good way to fit larger tires from the factory, but in reality, your lift height has no affect on tire clearance other than at ride height.

Like kase said, the baja is a great kit, that has a number of areas of improvement over stock, therre is simply more room for improvement when going to a non toyota coilover (when set up properly).

with all of that said, if the price difference is great enough, the baja kit would be more than sufficient for the vast majority of people on this site.
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Rebuildable, custom valving and rebound, adjustable lift to get whatever height you want(1.75",2.",2.5",3"etc), stay cooler, etc

Nobody thinks the baja suspension is bad.
Just that king/fox/icon/etc are better.
The adjustability, I can see that as an advantage. The custom valving is already done by TRD and Bilstein to suit exclusively the Tacoma 4WD access cab and DCSB, they have stiff compression and quick rebound which is what you want. It's well tuned for the truck at all four corners, IMO. And seeings how Bilstein revalved the shocks on-site during testing I imagine they're rebuildable. Probably have to send them to Bilstein, not a DIY, so that's an advantage for Fox, King.

As for staying cooler, the front resis are nice, but really you'd have to push the truck hard for a lot of miles offroad to feel a fading difference. It's not worth the additional cost. And that's the bottom line - $$$$. I didn't buy the Baja Tacoma, all I did was add the suspension onto my SR5 for $1609 shipped. Fox, King OEM replacements, they're more expensive for very little increase in actual offroad performance IMO. The numbers just aren't there in terms of additional wheel travel, better damping or rebound from Fox, King, or Icon to justify the additional dollars.

I apologize if I derailed the thread, I'm just tired of MWOAP (and his minions) when he doesn't know jackcrap about the Baja suspension.
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Old 09-11-2013, 02:01 PM   #43
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the travel numbers aren't all that different for sure, but there is a difference. not as important for higher speeds, since that's where valving is what makes a good setup over travel, but when you start crawling, half an inch can make or brake a line.
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I apologize if I derailed the thread, I'm just tired of MWOAP (and his minions) when he doesn't know jackcrap about the Baja suspension.
wahhhhhhhh!!!!

I know enough info on the Baja suspension to know it is crap and how Toyota dupes people into buying 40k dollar truck.
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Old 09-11-2013, 02:04 PM   #45
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The Baja setup is a good set up for those guys who just want to off road occasionally but from reading on the forum I have found icons kings and fox are better
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wahhhhhhhh!!!!

I know enough info on the Baja suspension to know it is crap and how Toyota dupes people into buying 40k dollar truck.
I disagree, it might be "crap" in comparison to the aftermarket but its way better then the stock setup on the Tacoma's. For off roaders like me its great. I didn't have extra money for tires, rims suspension etc when I bought my truck BUT I wanted to do some light off roading. This truck catered to me perfectly. I will give you the expensive factor that's for DAMN sure.
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wahhhhhhhh!!!!

I know enough info on the Baja suspension to know it is crap and how Toyota dupes people into buying 40k dollar truck.
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I like the baja package and think its well worth it . The wheels and tires are really nice and worth $2000 don't even need to upgrade them ko's are a great tire . The truck sits about 2" higher for added ground clearence. The suspension upgrade adds .75" front travel and 1.5" rear travel . About the same travel numbers as my fox / total chaos mid travel set up . So like I say I think it's a good buy for the cost .

How much is the baja package $3500 ?
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I disagree, it might be "crap" in comparison to the aftermarket but its way better then the stock setup on the Tacoma's. For off roaders like me its great. I didn't have extra money for tires, rims suspension etc when I bought my truck BUT I wanted to do some light off roading. This truck catered to me perfectly. I will give you the expensive factor that's for DAMN sure.
i don't think i'd call it crap compared to the aftermarket. even though the bilstien shock it was adapted from is a little more advanced, i would compare it to an OME setup as far as durability and longevity goes (i mean that in a good way). what differentiates it from the OMEs is that it is valved for a better high speed handling, and for use with lower spring rate coils. this gives you that nice mix of on and off road performance. then to top it off, you have the reserviors. she chock body of the bajas is not quite the size of the aftermarket coilovers, and is steel, so those will lower the cooling factor in comparison, but then the resis come into play. i wouldn't be surprised if the bajas cool in a similar nature to, or even better than, a non-resi K/I/F.

I think toyota has unintentionally filled the aftermarket gap between OME and full blown coilovers. i believe that package is a good 50/50 split between the two as far as both performance and price go.

The issue, like with anything offroad, is to know your equipment, and know what it is capable of. the perfect example of such knowledge not being used was when raptor owners bend their frames. gread truck, but people didn't acurately know the limits based on the equipment.
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In addition to Kase's respone, you will also attain more travel than the baja setup, given aftermarket arms.

while the baja setup is nice, it is tuned for a stock vehicle. as soon as you change something, such as weight from a bumper or something, you are out of luck. the degraded handling characteristics are hard to get back to where they were before a bumper or other modification. aftermarket coilovers have give you the ability to adjust as much as you please. while wheel travel is great, propper tuning is far more important. when ordering aftermarket coilovers, you also have the option to get them built speciffically for your needs, to eliminate the tuning work on your end. this turns the system into a purely bolt-on setup, with the same ease of install as the baja setup.

unrelated to fox/king/icon/etc, you also mentioned that the baja is a good way to fit larger tires from the factory, but in reality, your lift height has no affect on tire clearance other than at ride height.

Like kase said, the baja is a great kit, that has a number of areas of improvement over stock, therre is simply more room for improvement when going to a non toyota coilover (when set up properly).

with all of that said, if the price difference is great enough, the baja kit would be more than sufficient for the vast majority of people on this site.
Colin, it's already tuned right out of the box by TRD. For 2012+ 4WD Tacoma AC and DCSB's exclusively. From what I've read lifts over 2" seem to play havoc with the nannies. That was an additional consideration for me. The front Eibach springs are 650 lbs, so they can handle some additional weight and the sway bar doesn't interfere at all, so the handling will maybe suffer some with additional weight, but not much compared to other front suspensions.

Yeah, the kit is designed for 32's maximum. 265/75/16's or 275/70/17's.

And yeah, the price difference was certainly a consideration for me. You get a lot of bang for the buck with the Baja kit (aftermarket).
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right, i realize that it''s tuned well from the factory, so if your intentions are to stay otherwize stock, you're good to go. for comparison though, my truck is at almost 6000 lbs, and to try to throw this thing around at speed with the baja valving would have me on my lid in no time. I do agree, i'm not a fan or big lifts. i only sit at 1'' lift right now and it works great for me.
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This is kinda contradictory FWIW. Sure, you may not have had money to buy kings, wheels and tires at the time. But you more than likely paid for em 2x when you paid that pretty little price for the baja taco.
I didnt have 5k in my pocket to go out and buy all the parts is what I was trying to say. I was however able to finance the baja
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I like the baja package and think its well worth it . The wheels and tires are really nice and worth $2000 don't even need to upgrade them ko's are a great tire . The truck sits about 2" higher for added ground clearence. The suspension upgrade adds .75" front travel and 1.5" rear travel . About the same travel numbers as my fox / total chaos mid travel set up . So like I say I think it's a good buy for the cost .

How much is the baja package $3500 ?
I'd have to look at my sticker to give you an accurate cost.
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i don't think i'd call it crap compared to the aftermarket. even though the bilstien shock it was adapted from is a little more advanced, i would compare it to an OME setup as far as durability and longevity goes (i mean that in a good way). what differentiates it from the OMEs is that it is valved for a better high speed handling, and for use with lower spring rate coils. this gives you that nice mix of on and off road performance. then to top it off, you have the reserviors. she chock body of the bajas is not quite the size of the aftermarket coilovers, and is steel, so those will lower the cooling factor in comparison, but then the resis come into play. i wouldn't be surprised if the bajas cool in a similar nature to, or even better than, a non-resi K/I/F.

I think toyota has unintentionally filled the aftermarket gap between OME and full blown coilovers. i believe that package is a good 50/50 split between the two as far as both performance and price go.

The issue, like with anything offroad, is to know your equipment, and know what it is capable of. the perfect example of such knowledge not being used was when raptor owners bend their frames. gread truck, but people didn't acurately know the limits based on the equipment.
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6000lbs ! Yikes . Recently weighed my regular cab . The way it sits now with carbon fiber hood is 3940lbs . With toe strap,harbor freight compressor and a socket set behind the seat.
a big chunk of that is that you're a single cab 2.7. double cab 4.0 will start out a good bit heavier. add a plate bumper instead of tube, winch, full (steel) skids, wrap around rear bumper vs a standard, heavy bed rack, heavy roof rack, 35s, and a boatload of gear, and you'll get up towards 6k pretty quick
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If I had 5k to spend on a truck like yours . I'd buy pelfreybilt bumpers and sliders . Some lights . Then a trd supercharger since its also your DD . Funnnn! I'm not sure how it is on the AC and DC but my stock leafs on my regular cab sucked going through the desert. It was sooo rough.
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the travel numbers aren't all that different for sure, but there is a difference. not as important for higher speeds, since that's where valving is what makes a good setup over travel, but when you start crawling, half an inch can make or brake a line.
Cmon man, not really. If I'm worried about a rock that's 12" tall vs the 11" I have now at the BudBuilt skid plates, I'll pile some rocks under the tires to get that extra clearance, make a ramp. If there's a big hole, I'll pile some rocks into it to get a good line. You get your ass out of your truck and move some loose rocks around. The object isn't to see how big of a rock you can crawl over, the object is to get to your destination as cleanly as possible, that's how I look at it.
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There is a dealership in NC that sells the baja suspension (front springs, front shocks, and rear shocks) for $1500, I dont think shipping or tax was included with that either. So $1500 +shipping+tax.
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wahhhhhhhh!!!!

I know enough info on the Baja suspension to know it is crap and how Toyota dupes people into buying 40k dollar truck.
Nah, you don't know enough. You talk a lot, but you don't know enough.
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