Lots of Suspension Questions

dysfunctnlretard · 11-10-2009, 10:07 AM

After only spending two months with my Bilstein 5100s, I realized I made a mistake in rushing things, and Im now looking to move onto some coilovers

. I feel the ride is too harsh and since I have the dough to build the truck Im gonna move forward and do so.

Im pretty set on the rear: Icon RR & a new leaf pack (probably All Pro or Deaver)

Im having issues with the front though. I cant afford a long travel so I know Im not gonna be able to hit whoops at 60MPH and have the truck ride like a caddy. However, I want the softest ride possible. Right now Im trying to figure out what my best bet would be between these options:

1. Spindle Lift & Set my Bilstein 5100s at "0"

2. Icon RR set at 2.5" (This preloads the spring though resulting in a harsher ride than if it were to be a "0", is this better than #1 still?)

3. Fox 2.0 RR set at 2.5

[With a larger shock body do I get a softer ride or less chance of fading?]

4. Fox 2.5 RR set at 2.5

In the process of looking at shocks Ive also seen that some are labeled "extended travel" or some allow you to choose how much travel you want. Whats the catch? I would think you would always want more travel so is there something limiting my travel?

Lastly, for those who have these shocks, how would you say ride quality is compared to stock suspension considering that he spring is preloaded for my aplication?

YotaDan · 11-10-2009, 10:18 AM

ICON offers an extended travel coilover to match the extra travel ability of Uniball UCAs. To avoid preloading the coilover, you would need to get longer bolts and use a top plate (topspacer lift), however thats not really recommended. If you do lift spindles, then you should not need to adjust the coilovers up though. Deaver leaf springs are gona give you the softest ride in the rear, along with a shock that has softer valving.

Keason1* · 11-10-2009, 10:24 AM

I would say grab a set of new spindles for the lift, then get a pair of either Fox, King, or Icon coilovers to give you the smooth ride and if you still have any money left after that then add some new UCAs. oh and removing the sway bar did wonders for me

EDIT: if you get new spindles you will not need to preload the coils

dysfunctnlretard · 11-10-2009, 10:29 AM

Yea I thought about getting some spindles AND setting the CO at 0 for the softest ride but I dont wanna shell out that much cash. The way I see it is if Im gonna go with spindles and CO, I would rather save the 1,000 from the spindles to use toward LT but that comes out too expensive so for now Im looking at spindle lift OR coilover lift.

dysfunctnlretard · 11-10-2009, 10:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by YotaDan

ICON offers an extended travel coilover to match the extra travel ability of Uniball UCAs. To avoid preloading the coilover, you would need to get longer bolts and use a top plate (topspacer lift), however thats not really recommended. If you do lift spindles, then you should not need to adjust the coilovers up though. Deaver leaf springs are gona give you the softest ride in the rear, along with a shock that has softer valving.

Yea I definitely wanna steer clear of spacers. As far as Extended Travel goes though, I have the TC UCA's so 14" would work 12"/14" would work right?

YotaDan · 11-10-2009, 10:42 AM

Well I don't know what the actual travel measurement is, Just that it is about an inch or so more than the standard coilovers.

bajamoon · 11-10-2009, 12:27 PM

go for the all pro leaf pack and fox piggybacks for the rear, allpro sells both and alot of people are happy with that setup. i will at some point switch to all pro leaf pack and ditch the deavers. you can't rebuild the icon shocks in the rear. front fox or king and a spindle sounds good.

Keason1* · 11-10-2009, 12:46 PM

so what are you looking to spend? if you already have billys you can get the convert them to coilovers with the toytec setup. i think its about 400 for that. then 1000 for camburg spindles..1400 total isnt that bad considering the fox 2.5 CO's are like 1350

dysfunctnlretard · 11-10-2009, 01:24 PM

For the front, 1400 is about my budget. In the end though, will billstein CO ride softer than fox or kings set at 2.5?? I also have yo consider that billys have to be replaced, fox and kings can be rebuilt.

11-10-2009, 10:18 AM	#2
YotaDan Dan Name: Dan Joined: Apr 2009, #15461 Location: Oregon Gender: Male Posts: 444	ICON offers an extended travel coilover to match the extra travel ability of Uniball UCAs. To avoid preloading the coilover, you would need to get longer bolts and use a top plate (topspacer lift), however thats not really recommended. If you do lift spindles, then you should not need to adjust the coilovers up though. Deaver leaf springs are gona give you the softest ride in the rear, along with a shock that has softer valving. __________________ Wheeler's Off-Road, Inc. Dan Sales Associate Warehouse Manager dan@wheelersoffroad.com

11-10-2009, 10:24 AM	#3
Keason1* global warming? nah..its just summer... Name: Kevin Joined: Mar 2008, #5246 Location: North TX (WF) Gender: Male Posts: 5,712 07 ZombieRunner 2007 Double Cab Automatic 4.0 2.0 Fox Coilovers, Wheelers 3 AAL pack, sway bar removed, 285-65X18" Dune Grapplers, moto metal rims. K&N CAI, N-fab lightbar, 4X Hella 500's with HID mod, 4300K HID's, Pioneer HU, Image dynamics, rear 5100's, painted engine cover. aux reverse lights, LED cupholder mod, Led Dash mod, Maglight seat mod, flowmaster 50, URD MAF CAL, custom bed bar, wet okole seat covers.	I would say grab a set of new spindles for the lift, then get a pair of either Fox, King, or Icon coilovers to give you the smooth ride and if you still have any money left after that then add some new UCAs. oh and removing the sway bar did wonders for me EDIT: if you get new spindles you will not need to preload the coils __________________ illegal is not a race. It is a crime. My Build Fights begin, finger prints are took, days is lost, bail is made, court dates are ignored, cycle is repeated.

11-10-2009, 10:29 AM	#4
dysfunctnlretard [OP] Steve likes men. Their Pen15 in particular. Name: Manny Joined: Jun 2009, #18080 Location: CA Gender: Male Posts: 3,480 2010 FJC 2010 Automatic 4.0 V6 55w HIDs, 16" Countersteer Offroads, Yokahama All Terrains, Demello Sliders	Yea I thought about getting some spindles AND setting the CO at 0 for the softest ride but I dont wanna shell out that much cash. The way I see it is if Im gonna go with spindles and CO, I would rather save the 1,000 from the spindles to use toward LT but that comes out too expensive so for now Im looking at spindle lift OR coilover lift. __________________

11-10-2009, 10:42 AM	#6
YotaDan Dan Name: Dan Joined: Apr 2009, #15461 Location: Oregon Gender: Male Posts: 444	Well I don't know what the actual travel measurement is, Just that it is about an inch or so more than the standard coilovers. __________________ Wheeler's Off-Road, Inc. Dan Sales Associate Warehouse Manager dan@wheelersoffroad.com

11-10-2009, 12:27 PM	#7
bajamoon MANNY SUCKS A MEAN ** Name: STEVE Joined: Feb 2009, #13269 Location: los Angeles Age: 33 Gender: Male Posts: 4,536 09 tacoma prerunner offroad 2009 Double Cab Automatic 4** ROLLING MONEY PIT	go for the all pro leaf pack and fox piggybacks for the rear, allpro sells both and alot of people are happy with that setup. i will at some point switch to all pro leaf pack and ditch the deavers. you can't rebuild the icon shocks in the rear. front fox or king and a spindle sounds good. __________________ What's up bro. gnar

11-10-2009, 10:07 AM	#1
dysfunctnlretard [OP] Steve likes men. Their Pen15 in particular. Name: Manny Joined: Jun 2009, #18080 Location: CA Gender: Male Posts: 3,480 2010 FJC 2010 Automatic 4.0 V6 55w HIDs, 16" Countersteer Offroads, Yokahama All Terrains, Demello Sliders	Lots of Suspension Questions After only spending two months with my Bilstein 5100s, I realized I made a mistake in rushing things, and Im now looking to move onto some coilovers . I feel the ride is too harsh and since I have the dough to build the truck Im gonna move forward and do so. Im pretty set on the rear: Icon RR & a new leaf pack (probably All Pro or Deaver) Im having issues with the front though. I cant afford a long travel so I know Im not gonna be able to hit whoops at 60MPH and have the truck ride like a caddy. However, I want the softest ride possible. Right now Im trying to figure out what my best bet would be between these options: 1. Spindle Lift & Set my Bilstein 5100s at "0" 2. Icon RR set at 2.5" (This preloads the spring though resulting in a harsher ride than if it were to be a "0", is this better than #1 still?) 3. Fox 2.0 RR set at 2.5 [With a larger shock body do I get a softer ride or less chance of fading?] 4. Fox 2.5 RR set at 2.5 In the process of looking at shocks Ive also seen that some are labeled "extended travel" or some allow you to choose how much travel you want. Whats the catch? I would think you would always want more travel so is there something limiting my travel? Lastly, for those who have these shocks, how would you say ride quality is compared to stock suspension considering that he spring is preloaded for my aplication? __________________

11-10-2009, 12:46 PM	#8
Keason1* global warming? nah..its just summer... Name: Kevin Joined: Mar 2008, #5246 Location: North TX (WF) Gender: Male Posts: 5,712 07 ZombieRunner 2007 Double Cab Automatic 4.0 2.0 Fox Coilovers, Wheelers 3 AAL pack, sway bar removed, 285-65X18" Dune Grapplers, moto metal rims. K&N CAI, N-fab lightbar, 4X Hella 500's with HID mod, 4300K HID's, Pioneer HU, Image dynamics, rear 5100's, painted engine cover. aux reverse lights, LED cupholder mod, Led Dash mod, Maglight seat mod, flowmaster 50, URD MAF CAL, custom bed bar, wet okole seat covers.	so what are you looking to spend? if you already have billys you can get the convert them to coilovers with the toytec setup. i think its about 400 for that. then 1000 for camburg spindles..1400 total isnt that bad considering the fox 2.5 CO's are like 1350 __________________ illegal is not a race. It is a crime. My Build Fights begin, finger prints are took, days is lost, bail is made, court dates are ignored, cycle is repeated.

11-10-2009, 01:24 PM	#9
dysfunctnlretard [OP] Steve likes men. Their Pen15 in particular. Name: Manny Joined: Jun 2009, #18080 Location: CA Gender: Male Posts: 3,480 2010 FJC 2010 Automatic 4.0 V6 55w HIDs, 16" Countersteer Offroads, Yokahama All Terrains, Demello Sliders	For the front, 1400 is about my budget. In the end though, will billstein CO ride softer than fox or kings set at 2.5?? I also have yo consider that billys have to be replaced, fox and kings can be rebuilt. __________________

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