I need help disabling my driving performance monitor

[piercedtiger]

Originally Posted by tigerfan00

its going to basically record everything you do right up to and during a collision...could save your butt in court

....or it could put you away depending on what you were doing!

You could say "uh, yeah Officer I slammed on the brakes to avoid hitting him...." while the EDR says you floored the gas instead. Now, maybe you hit the wrong pedal by mistake instead of intentionally ramming the person in front, but how is that data gonna be interpreted? Not only do you have to explain to the cops what happened you have to WHY you did what the EDR says you did.

[socolax91]

Originally Posted by tigerfan00

doubtful as its mentioned to be in the airbag sensor

i honestly dont see the "issue" with these being on your vehicle...but maybe i just see the good more than the bad...its going to basically record everything you do right up to and during a collision...could save your butt in court

Or it could totally screw you if you were going to fast

[tigerfan00]

Originally Posted by socolax91

Or it could totally screw you if you were going to fast

well you shouldnt be going too fast

[tigerfan00]

Originally Posted by piercedtiger

....or it could put you away depending on what you were doing!

You could say "uh, yeah Officer I slammed on the brakes to avoid hitting him...." while the EDR says you floored the gas instead. Now, maybe you hit the wrong pedal by mistake instead of intentionally ramming the person in front, but how is that data gonna be interpreted? Not only do you have to explain to the cops what happened you have to WHY you did what the EDR says you did.

i see your point...but like i said...i tend to see the good in it rather than the bad


it can however...figure out what each person did instead fo everything being a he said she said deal

[piercedtiger]

Originally Posted by tigerfan00

i see your point...but like i said...i tend to see the good in it rather than the bad


it can however...figure out what each person did instead fo everything being a he said she said deal

True. Might also be able to show the gas AND brake were pressed like you accidentally covered both pedals.

Then again, I'm one of those people that doesn't particularly care for Big Brother watching everything I do. How long until Minority Report becomes reality?

[4x4x4trd]

Originally Posted by chris4x4

Looks like ALL vehicles manufactured as of 2008 have these things.

Originally Posted by tigerfan00

doubtful as its mentioned to be in the airbag sensor

i honestly dont see the "issue" with these being on your vehicle...but maybe i just see the good more than the bad...its going to basically record everything you do right up to and during a collision...could save your butt in court

Rumor has it that the local BIG DOG motorcycle dealer replaced the first two motors on a $30K bike under warranty. They refused warranty on #3. They went to court with the data they pulled up with something like this black box. The guy had taken a brand new bike and taken it well past red-line shortly after leaving the show room floor blowing up the first two motors. Expecting unlimited warranty for being a DH. Personally I think he should have eaten the first one if they could show what he had done.

[Imrubicon]

Originally Posted by tigerfan00

i see your point...but like i said...i tend to see the good in it rather than the bad


it can however...figure out what each person did instead fo everything being a he said she said deal

Hey maybe a video in every truck so they can watch us also ?


when you give up a little freedom for security you have neither !

[4x4x4trd]

Originally Posted by Imrubicon

Hey maybe a video in every truck so they can watch us also ?


when you give up a little freedom for security you have neither !

Pretty much 911 + 7.

[MikeS.]

In my 05 Avalon the EDR sits under the right front passenger seat. I've been sorely tempted a few times to pull the plug on that puppy.

[chris4x4]

I belive the unit in the Tacomas is in the passenger kick panel. From what I gather, there are sensors in the airbag triggers that are only to stop it from continuing to record. The actual unit is a "piggy back" on the trucks ECU. Though its not actually "ON" the ECU, it is plugged into it so as to be able to monitor throttle, brake, speed, etc..

[MikeS.]

So if you were to unplug the box in the kick panel would that throw a CEL?

[chris4x4]

Originally Posted by MikeS.

So if you were to unplug the box in the kick panel would that throw a CEL?

From what I have read, no. It has nothing more to do with the ECU than to record in a loop.

[BeefTaco]

I don't know I can't see it being a separate box plugged into the ecu, I have only ever seen the wire harness connectors plugged directly into the ECU and not into any separate box first. The ecu has the capability of storing CEL information before and after an incident so if the trigger was deployment of the airbags I think all information for the EDR would be recorded inside the ECU itself.

[MurphMan]

Eventually they could be combined. But with our currect technology, you still need flash memory, an OS, and software to gather all the data points correctly for eventual downloading. Plus, why disable a vehicle should a recorder need to be pulled, just plug in another. Bound to be a lot cheaper than an ECU. Again, once technology costs tumble, they will combine.

Originally Posted by BeefTaco

I don't know I can't see it being a separate box plugged into the ecu, I have only ever seen the wire harness connectors plugged directly into the ECU and not into any separate box first. The ecu has the capability of storing CEL information before and after an incident so if the trigger was deployment of the airbags I think all information for the EDR would be recorded inside the ECU itself.

[BeefTaco]

Originally Posted by chris4x4

The actual unit is a "piggy back" on the trucks ECU. Though its not actually "ON" the ECU, it is plugged into it so as to be able to monitor throttle, brake, speed, etc..

I spoke to our factory FTS (Field Technical Specialist) yesterday who is our factory guru about Toyota's EDR system. He states the EDR is in fact located in the center airbag sensor assembly and no way to disable it. He states he does not know all of the info that is gathered there or how the info is retrieved but when it is requested it is turned over to Toyota's legal department they have a (Black Box Specialist) who will retrieve it. He stated that Toyota uses the info gathered to improve Toyota's SRS system's and to make Toyota's a safer car/truck.

[chris4x4]

Originally Posted by BeefTaco

I spoke to our factory FTS (Field Technical Specialist) yesterday who is our factory guru about Toyota's EDR system. He states the EDR is in fact located in the center airbag sensor assembly and no way to disable it. He states he does not know all of the info that is gathered there or how the info is retrieved but when it is requested it is turned over to Toyota's legal department they have a (Black Box Specialist) who will retrieve it. He stated that Toyota uses the info gathered to improve Toyota's SRS system's and to make Toyota's a safer car/truck.

Interesting. I was told its in the passenger kick panel. Im going to give it a look see.

[shook0002]

This is absolute bullshit. If there is anything recording anything in my truck I want to know about it upfront. This is just another government, bullshit violation of our rights. Nobody should have access to anything besides pulling CEL codes in any of our cars. ITS MY CAR I'LL DO WHATEVER THE HELL I WANT WITH IT. Now I'm no reckless driver, in fact I'm a cop, and I strongly oppose anything to do with recording without permission. Big brother is watching guys. So where is the module located at? Because it I ever get into an accident its getting desroyed. And according to an earlier post it says Toyota will release the info if "officially" requested by police, so does that mean I can send them a request on letterhead and get it? Shit if you want my info u better come with a warrant. I really think this will be fought out in the courts in he coming years, especially here in PA, we have tight wiretap/electronic monitoring laws so being unaware its there can make it inadmissable in court. Here is a disturbing story about the GM one, and remember on-star knows where u are at all times regardless of if its activated or not.

For example: When AutoWeek conducted handling tests on a mundane Chevy Malibu Maxx hatchback earlier this year, the recorder automatically alerted GM OnStar officials, who called the car to make sure the driver was OK after a particularly severe cornering maneuver. The driver was, but later said he resented the intrusion.

[chris4x4]

Sonds like cars may be evolving into "Kit"......