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Old 06-10-2013, 07:16 PM   #521
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So that happened after only 1500 miles on a Fram?

Sorry... that may be what the customer told the tech, but as crappy as Fram oil filters are, it didn't cause that. Customer either forgot to replace the oil, then put it in before having the truck towed in, or downshifted at high speed.
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That supercharger cover in post 518 is frickin nice. I suppose its a one-off?
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So that happened after only 1500 miles on a Fram?

Sorry... that may be what the customer told the tech, but as crappy as Fram oil filters are, it didn't cause that. Customer either forgot to replace the oil, then put it in before having the truck towed in, or downshifted at high speed.
Yeah, I'm guessing he forgot to put in the oil.
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I don't think the Fram filter did that damage either. They (or someone) was just looking to place blame somewhere. I used the Fram filters for the past 108k miles on my last Tacoma and never had any problems. But I did use oil along with them so I guess that may have helped! Not saying maybe somewhere some time ago there was a bad batch but not in this case. Either way, I got a dozen OEM filters for $4 each so I will be using them.
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don't know if anyone mentioned it K&N makes Mobile 1 filters. Amsoil makes WIX, and I think Royal Purple filters are the stuff if you can find local stores that sell them. My pick for the money is K&N I've used them and the nut on the end is fantastic. I also get them at cost from a buddy
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don't know if anyone mentioned it K&N makes Mobile 1 filters.
Champion Labs makes K&N and Mobil-1 filters.
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Amsoil makes WIX,
Amsoil doesn't make anything. They blend a high quality oil. Wix makes their filters.
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Royal Purple filters are the stuff if you can find local stores that sell them.
RP is nothing special. Not their oil, and not their filters. They aren't bad filters, but they aren't "the stuff".
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My pick for the money is K&N I've used them and the nut on the end is fantastic. I also get them at cost from a buddy
Great quality filter, but not worth $15.
Not worth $8 when you can get the Toyota OEM filter for $4 and it is actually a better filter.
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Good job in taking apart the filters to see what is in side. I viewed another test recently by a private individual who did a similar test (pretty comprehensive) that talked about 6 or so filter brands and his conclusion was the Toyota OEM filter was the best by far. After reviewing his comparisons I believe he is right. The OEM filter from Toyota is larger, has more pleated surface, a well made bypass valve and get this contrary to the cost of OEM items, this filter was under $5.00 compared to others that were up to $10 and more. So, I'm going to buy the OEM filter for my vehicle.

I don't have any affiliation with Toyota and am of the opinion that OEM items are priced way too high, however, this filter is well worth it.
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Champion Labs makes K&N and Mobil-1 filters.

Amsoil doesn't make anything. They blend a high quality oil. Wix makes their filters.

RP is nothing special. Not their oil, and not their filters. They aren't bad filters, but they aren't "the stuff".

Great quality filter, but not worth $15.
Not worth $8 when you can get the Toyota OEM filter for $4 and it is actually a better filter.
Yes I meant to fix the WIX makes Amsoil... i typo'd... RP stuff is great. I've had great success with it. Never tried their filter personally, but they're supposed to be a great filter. Yeah I get the K&N filters for roughly 8.00. I'm actually not worrying about oil or filters for the next 1.5 years since I get the free 2/25K maintenance on the Tacoma, and free 4/45K Maintenance on my Tundra. They're both getting OEM stuff right now.
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Yes I meant to fix the WIX makes Amsoil... i typo'd... RP stuff is great. I've had great success with it. Never tried their filter personally, but they're supposed to be a great filter. Yeah I get the K&N filters for roughly 8.00. I'm actually not worrying about oil or filters for the next 1.5 years since I get the free 2/25K maintenance on the Tacoma, and free 4/45K Maintenance on my Tundra. They're both getting OEM stuff right now.
I heard that the RP filters were also Champion's premium line (K&N/M1).

Not crazy about RP oil though....

http://personal.linkline.com/rlockyer/oil/oil.xls

2000 miles in May and June, the 20w50 sheared down to a 30wt.
6000 miles in June, July, and August, the Mobil-1 20w50 just barely dipped into the 40wt range.
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That would make since on the Royal Purple oil filters... It looks very close on a lot of parts
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So what is everyone's take on this, from Amsoil's website:



Apparently the part # listed is a corolla filter
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Got anything from someone other than Amsoil?
BTW: That PF48 is constructed similarly to Fram.
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Got anything from someone other than Amsoil?
BTW: That PF48 is constructed similarly to Fram.
I came across this tonight, from a bitog member's own analysis

http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums...83#Post2695083

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Toyota--51% vs. Amsoil---98.7% efficiency at 20 microns...
http://www.amsoil.com/storefront/eao.aspx

And this appears to be confirmed by a previous forum members particle count comparison....

"The comparative particle counts for my 2001 Toyota Sequoia with 159,000 total engine miles, using Mobil 1R0W-30 engine oil are as follows:

OEM oil filter PC vs. Amsoil EaO57 Oil filter PC
>4 Microns = 1,817 particles, 128 particles
>6 microns = 990 particles, 70 particles
>14 microns = 168 particles, 12 particles
>25 microns = 34 particles, 2 particles
>50 microns = 3 particles, 0 particles
>100 microns = 0 particles, 0 particles

Both samples had 1,550 miles on each filter. The OEM sample was new oil, Amsoil sample with 1,500 miles on the Mobil 1 engine oil.
The ISO cleanliness is reduced from 18/17/15 to 14/13/11 with the Amsoil EaO oil filter. I would have been very happy with 1 or 2 number reductions.. A 93% reduction in particulates is, well, as in going from no filtration to having a filter.... This level of cleanliness *will* provide meaningful, long term wear reduction and attendant increase in component life, from my experience.
My used engine oil is cleaner than the oil which came out of the quart bottle..
George Morrison, STLE CLS
(NOT an Amsoil dealer, never have been: may become one with results like this, however)"

3/1/07, Bobistheoilguy forum, oil filters, post by GeorgeCLS
http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums...=846034&page=1

***I just changed my Prius C factory equipped, made in Japan, Toyota Denso filter (#90915-10003) with an Amsoil EaO09 filter (now Ea15k09). I don't like the idea of all those extra metal particles circulating in the oil causing more wear.

reference:
http://www.amsoil.com/techservicesbu...ine%20wear.pdf

also note other studies proving better filtration = longer engine life/less wear.
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^It will be interesting to see how much extra pressure drop the Amsoil filter suffers compared to OEM.

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A 93% reduction in particulates is, well, as in going from no filtration to having a filter....

My used engine oil is cleaner than the oil which came out of the quart bottle..
There is such a thing as overkill.
The first comment is simply asinine. A 93% reduction in particles of a meaningless size is NOT the same as going from no filtration to having a filter.

Filtering particles much smaller than the gap between bearing surfaces falls under this category... and this filtration may come at the expense of flow/pressure drop and increased load on the oil pump drive mechanism.

40-50 microns? Big concern.
24 microns? Not a huge concern.
14 microns and below? What were his numbers on the new oil out of the bottle?
Modern engine specification MINIMUM clearance is .0005*D where D is the diameter of the journal. Max clearance is .001*D
For a 2.5" journal, that comes out to 32-64 microns.
Anything smaller than 32 microns will remain suspended within the oil and flow out of the bearing, and depending on where your engine falls in the spec, potentially anything as large as 64 microns will never bridge the film.
A human hair is typically between 60 and 90 microns for comparison.

The same applies to oil itself. Synthetic is a good thing, but conventional is "good enough" so long as it is changed regularly. Arguing how "this $10 synthetic oil is so much better than that $5 synthetic oil" is arguing how much MORE overkill is really needed.

Economics balances it out.
The EAO is a good filter... but the OEM is $4, the EAO is over $10, plus shipping. Likewise for the oil. Mobil-1 is good. So is Amsoil Signature.
But unless you are a dealer or "preferred customer", it's not worth it.
The cost to benefit is simply not there.
Amsoil's marketing then moves to improving the economy by going to extended change intervals... and in doing so, much of the benefit of the product gained in the first place is lost.


But Amsoil is good at marketing... almost as good as they are at making quality products. I'm not going to bash their products because they are good, and I have used them... but their marketing "machine" is a bit out of control. They issue spec sheets that over-emphasize issues, and their self-educated dealers take it and run with it, spreading a lot of misinformation and myth that didn't originate at corporate HQ, but corporate does nothing to dispel the exaggerations and often foolish claims of their dealers.
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^It will be interesting to see how much extra pressure drop the Amsoil filter suffers compared to OEM.
Supposedly, the modern synthetic media is not as restrictive as cellulose. Comparable media area is able to provide better filtration with an actual reduction in backpressure... vs filters like the PureOne (a very good filter) that simply stuff more media into the can, which does increase load.
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I agree that the benefit is negligible until you get into higher OCI. I personally don't sweat a $6 difference in filter price, especially when amortized over as little as 5k miles.
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The Amsoil filter is actually less tolerant of longer OCI, because it clogs faster...
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The Amsoil filter is actually less tolerant of longer OCI, because it clogs faster...
Based on what data? A lot of people are running the amsoil filter over long OCI with good results.
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Based on what data? A lot of people are running the amsoil filter over long OCI with good results.
Even with a bypass filtration system and 25k OCI, Amsoil recommends filter replacement of both the primary and bypass filter at 10k.
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