1. Welcome to Tacoma World!

    You are currently viewing as a guest! To get full-access, you need to register for a FREE account.

    As a registered member, you’ll be able to:
    • Participate in all Tacoma discussion topics
    • Communicate privately with other Tacoma owners from around the world
    • Post your own photos in our Members Gallery
    • Access all special features of the site

So... you say your a wrench ?

Discussion in 'Technical Chat' started by concrete jedi, Jan 13, 2009.

  1. Jan 13, 2009 at 1:54 PM
    #1
    concrete jedi

    concrete jedi [OP] Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 20, 2007
    Member:
    #3142
    Messages:
    2,734
    Rochester N.Y
    Vehicle:
    06 Tacoma 4 door indigo blue
    Broken and scratched tailgate, cracked rear tail light lens, coffee stain in driver seat.
    My question is where does the engine produce torque, the bore or the stroke ?
     
  2. Jan 13, 2009 at 2:21 PM
    #2
    TicTacOma

    TicTacOma UnderWater Monopoly Champion

    Joined:
    Dec 14, 2007
    Member:
    #3840
    Messages:
    1,522
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Anastatia Beaverhausen
    Columbia,SC
    Vehicle:
    I'm Thinking...Oh Yeah...An FJ
    It's all in my head at the moment...
    Ahhhhh.........Chris....Chris to the service desk please...Chris to the service desk!
     
  3. Jan 13, 2009 at 2:25 PM
    #3
    NetMonkey

    NetMonkey Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 14, 2008
    Member:
    #8536
    Messages:
    1,734
    Gender:
    Male
    Geogetown, TX
    Vehicle:
    2010, 4x4, DC, off-road, shortbed, automatic
    Toytec Ultimate Lift @ 3", Mickey Thompson MTZ's 285/75/16, Moto Metal 955b, rear 2" ALL, Marlin Crawler sliders
    generally from the length of the stroke.

    EDIT:
    man... thats a setup for lots of inuendos:)
     
  4. Jan 13, 2009 at 4:29 PM
    #4
    chris4x4

    chris4x4 With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine. Moderator

    Joined:
    May 8, 2008
    Member:
    #6497
    Messages:
    112,751,531
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    FlimFlubberJAM
    Tenoe, AZ
    Vehicle:
    2019 Rubicon 4 Door,
    4.10 gears, sliders, and lots of buttons.
    There is alot more to it than just the stroke. Compression ratio, ignition timing, all play a role in developing torque.
     
  5. Jan 13, 2009 at 4:40 PM
    #5
    Khaos

    Khaos Big Member

    Joined:
    Feb 4, 2008
    Member:
    #4570
    Messages:
    6,454
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Bryant
    Jacksonville, Florida
    Vehicle:
    2011 DC TRD SPORT Prerunner
    3” spacer lift, 285/75/17 KO2, Spidertrax 1.25” spacers
    Chuck Norris.
     
  6. Jan 13, 2009 at 4:42 PM
    #6
    NetMonkey

    NetMonkey Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 14, 2008
    Member:
    #8536
    Messages:
    1,734
    Gender:
    Male
    Geogetown, TX
    Vehicle:
    2010, 4x4, DC, off-road, shortbed, automatic
    Toytec Ultimate Lift @ 3", Mickey Thompson MTZ's 285/75/16, Moto Metal 955b, rear 2" ALL, Marlin Crawler sliders
    well, yes, all those are factors in developing torque, but the original questions was to bore or stroke.
    all things being equal what will produce more torque? bore or stroke?

    and i am sure there is some threashold that too much of one or the other will reduce torque.
    that would be an interesting graph to see, however.... the various combinations of bore and stroke and then the actual torque output. (all other things on the engine being equal of course).
     
  7. Jan 13, 2009 at 4:58 PM
    #7
    TicTacOma

    TicTacOma UnderWater Monopoly Champion

    Joined:
    Dec 14, 2007
    Member:
    #3840
    Messages:
    1,522
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Anastatia Beaverhausen
    Columbia,SC
    Vehicle:
    I'm Thinking...Oh Yeah...An FJ
    It's all in my head at the moment...
    But the bigger the hole, the bigger the pole?
     
  8. Jan 13, 2009 at 5:16 PM
    #8
    concrete jedi

    concrete jedi [OP] Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 20, 2007
    Member:
    #3142
    Messages:
    2,734
    Rochester N.Y
    Vehicle:
    06 Tacoma 4 door indigo blue
    Broken and scratched tailgate, cracked rear tail light lens, coffee stain in driver seat.
    Granted, you are going to get torque through the very physics of an internal combustion engine, but is it bore you work or stroke to gain torque ?
     
  9. Jan 13, 2009 at 5:26 PM
    #9
    chris4x4

    chris4x4 With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine. Moderator

    Joined:
    May 8, 2008
    Member:
    #6497
    Messages:
    112,751,531
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    FlimFlubberJAM
    Tenoe, AZ
    Vehicle:
    2019 Rubicon 4 Door,
    4.10 gears, sliders, and lots of buttons.
    Well, the longer the stroke, the longer the duration power is applied to the crank, so the answer would be stroke. All thing being equal.
     
  10. Jan 13, 2009 at 5:32 PM
    #10
    -TRDMAN-

    -TRDMAN- ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ

    Joined:
    Dec 18, 2006
    Member:
    #514
    Messages:
    2,191
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Greg
    Clarion Pa
    Vehicle:
    F-150
    The question seems to basic to ansewer?..... to many things apply?
     
  11. Jan 13, 2009 at 5:33 PM
    #11
    chris4x4

    chris4x4 With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine. Moderator

    Joined:
    May 8, 2008
    Member:
    #6497
    Messages:
    112,751,531
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    FlimFlubberJAM
    Tenoe, AZ
    Vehicle:
    2019 Rubicon 4 Door,
    4.10 gears, sliders, and lots of buttons.
    Absolutly true!
     
  12. Jan 13, 2009 at 5:36 PM
    #12
    -TRDMAN-

    -TRDMAN- ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ

    Joined:
    Dec 18, 2006
    Member:
    #514
    Messages:
    2,191
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Greg
    Clarion Pa
    Vehicle:
    F-150
    Lol thats wat I thought...:)
     
  13. Jan 13, 2009 at 7:55 PM
    #13
    concrete jedi

    concrete jedi [OP] Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 20, 2007
    Member:
    #3142
    Messages:
    2,734
    Rochester N.Y
    Vehicle:
    06 Tacoma 4 door indigo blue
    Broken and scratched tailgate, cracked rear tail light lens, coffee stain in driver seat.
    I don't understand the use of "basic" , I don't want to seem a tool but ... basic ? come on ? Oxford dictionary says "twisting or rotary force in mechanism" so no matter what the stroke was wouldn't it be determined by the amount of force generated by how large the bore is applied to the length of the crankshaft throw ?
     
  14. Jan 14, 2009 at 7:24 AM
    #14
    chris4x4

    chris4x4 With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine. Moderator

    Joined:
    May 8, 2008
    Member:
    #6497
    Messages:
    112,751,531
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    FlimFlubberJAM
    Tenoe, AZ
    Vehicle:
    2019 Rubicon 4 Door,
    4.10 gears, sliders, and lots of buttons.
    The cranckshaft "throw" is determined by the length of the stroke. Imagine a bicycle. Have a 200# guy standing on the crank. A 100mm crank is going to put less torque on the drive train than the same guy standing on a bike with a 175mm crank.
     
  15. Jan 14, 2009 at 2:35 PM
    #15
    concrete jedi

    concrete jedi [OP] Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 20, 2007
    Member:
    #3142
    Messages:
    2,734
    Rochester N.Y
    Vehicle:
    06 Tacoma 4 door indigo blue
    Broken and scratched tailgate, cracked rear tail light lens, coffee stain in driver seat.
    I understand that, thank you :)
     
  16. Jan 14, 2009 at 2:51 PM
    #16
    kmok

    kmok Plastidipped ma Hootus!

    Joined:
    Jul 18, 2008
    Member:
    #8007
    Messages:
    2,340
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Kyle
    Columbus, Ohio
    Vehicle:
    2005 Subaru Outback XT 5MT
    Im lost:eek:
     
  17. Jan 14, 2009 at 3:00 PM
    #17
    chris4x4

    chris4x4 With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine. Moderator

    Joined:
    May 8, 2008
    Member:
    #6497
    Messages:
    112,751,531
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    FlimFlubberJAM
    Tenoe, AZ
    Vehicle:
    2019 Rubicon 4 Door,
    4.10 gears, sliders, and lots of buttons.
    H.P. is a mathamatical calculation of Torque. To wit: Power is torque multiplied by engine speed to produce a measurement of the engine's ability to do work over a given period of time. Horsepower is a measure of force in pounds against a distance in feet for a time period of one minute. By substituting an arbitrary lever length for the crankshaft stroke, you can calculate the distance traveled around the crank axis in one minute multiplied by rpm and known torque to arrive at the formula for horsepower.
    Because torque and rpm are divided by 5252, torque and horsepower are always equal at 5252 rpm. If you solve the equation at 5252 rpm, the rpm value cancels out, leaving horsepower equal to torque. If you plot torque and horsepower curves on a graph, the lines will always cross at 5250 rpm (rounded off). If they don't, the curve is undoubtedly bogus.
    Torque is the static measurement of how much work an engine does, while power is a measure of how fast the work is being done. Since horsepower is calculated from torque, what we are all seeking is the greatest-possible torque value over the broadest-possible rpm range. Horsepower will follow suit, and it will fall in the engine speed range dictated by the many factors that affect the torque curve.
    Are you still lost? :)
     
  18. Jan 14, 2009 at 3:54 PM
    #18
    -TRDMAN-

    -TRDMAN- ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ

    Joined:
    Dec 18, 2006
    Member:
    #514
    Messages:
    2,191
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Greg
    Clarion Pa
    Vehicle:
    F-150
    Very well put!!!!:thumbsup:
     
  19. Jan 14, 2009 at 6:59 PM
    #19
    TicTacOma

    TicTacOma UnderWater Monopoly Champion

    Joined:
    Dec 14, 2007
    Member:
    #3840
    Messages:
    1,522
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Anastatia Beaverhausen
    Columbia,SC
    Vehicle:
    I'm Thinking...Oh Yeah...An FJ
    It's all in my head at the moment...
    To wit? Did you have your cap and gown on while you typed that?
     
  20. Jan 14, 2009 at 7:01 PM
    #20
    chris4x4

    chris4x4 With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine. Moderator

    Joined:
    May 8, 2008
    Member:
    #6497
    Messages:
    112,751,531
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    FlimFlubberJAM
    Tenoe, AZ
    Vehicle:
    2019 Rubicon 4 Door,
    4.10 gears, sliders, and lots of buttons.
    Hey, I,ve been to college. :)
     

Products Discussed in

To Top