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Old 02-06-2007, 02:58 PM   #1
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maybe a stupid ques but what is a d4d tacoma what is the diff
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I would like to know about that too somehow the question of elbow mod has not been answered.
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D4D is the Toyota Turbo Diesel series of engines that meet the latest Euro 2 emission standards. The D4Ds come in a number of different configurations, but the two most common are the 2.5 and 3.0 liter versions. They have a TON of torque (the 3.0L has more than the 4.0L V6), and they are very efficient (Can you imagine 34 MPG/highway from your Tacoma?).

This is what I have been holding out for, but I couldn't wait any longer. I needed a truck ASAP.

The D4D engine will not be coming to the US currently because it doesn't meet the new Tier 2 Bin 5 emissions standards that went into effect this year. There is talk that the Tacoma will get a diesel engine in 2010, but not before the Tundra receives one to better compete with the GM & Ford trucks that are already on the road.

Ford is looking to put a V6 Diesel in the F-150 next year, but I won't ever own a Ford again. I am still holding out for the D4D Tacoma!!!

Please remember that this is all internet information

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Toyota Diesel

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Toyota - if you are reading this, I want a Diesel Tacoma, YESTERDAY!!!
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Here is some more information from the closesest place to get a D4D - the Carribean. It is available in the Hilux Truck (read - NOT TACOMA).

Hilux Info from Domincan Republic

Before you ask, NO, you can't import these without encurring a TON of costs. Trust me, I tried!
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well ok i have to start saving for my diesel taco hmm 2010 huh ok that will give me plenty of time
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well ok i have to start saving for my diesel taco hmm 2010 huh ok that will give me plenty of time
I just hope they really bring it here.
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That would be great. I never understood why Americans seem to be afraid of diesel cars and light trucks, what is it about better gas mileage and longer lasting motors do people not like? My girlfriend had a VW TDI for a short period and it was great (40MPG), too bad it got totaled within two months.
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Well lets put i this way. america likes to spend big so why let these gas companies save money for the consumers. i do agree that it will benefit hard working people like us, but in reality... these millionares/billionares are more interested in making money.
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Personally, I can't stand to be around diesels. They are noisey, slow and smell bad. Nothing like a good puff of diesel exhaust when I'm peddling my bike up hill with a 190 bpm heartrate.
If you really, really need the high torque for towing great. Get a big truck with a Power-stroke or whatever. Otherwise they should stay in big rigs and construction equipment.
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Does anyone have experience buying parts for a diesel engine? Are they more expensive than their gas engine counterparts?
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surely innovations for better diesel fuel is in the works spp. it's already improved mercedes benz cars no noise and does not have that thick black cloud of exhaust it won't be long till it crosses over toyota market.
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Personally, I can't stand to be around diesels. They are noisey, slow and smell bad. Nothing like a good puff of diesel exhaust when I'm peddling my bike up hill with a 190 bpm heartrate. If you really, really need the high torque for towing great. Get a big truck with a Power-stroke or whatever. Otherwise they should stay in big rigs and construction equipment.
Diesels like that are circa 1980's. Most of the diesels that go down the road now - you can't tell they are diesels. They don't stink. They aren't noisy. They aren't slow!

VW TDI - available in US - 1.9L / 2.0L /2.5L ... These engines have been around since 1996, and, while the 96 version did put out some smoke, the latest version is quieter than it's 1.8T counterpart AND it puts out almost NO SMOKE!

I have owned a 1984 1.6D (smoker but very efficient), a 1998 TDI Jetta (fast and efficient), and a 2004 TDI-PD Golf (fast, quiet, and efficient).

Mercedes CDI - available in US - (I am not familiar with variants) These engines have been around since 1998 and are extremely quiet, very smooth, put out NO SMOKE, and have more power than their gasoline equivelants!!!

It is available here, but it is Mercedes. It is expensive.

Jeep CRD This engine is the same as the CDI in the Grand Cherokee (out in March 07' in US), and a different engine in the 05' and 06' Liberty. Very efficient engine, but it is still wrapped around a DaimlerChrysler.

I owned a Jeep Liberty with a 2.8L CRD engine made in Italy by VM Motori. It got 30 MPG on the highway and towed 4000lbs with ease. The engine was AWESOME, but the transmission STUNK (read: Dodge Transmission). I got rid of it to get a RAV4 for my wife.

Honda i-CTDi - available in Europe only - This 2.2L engine has been around for 2 years now. It is the quietest, smokeless, smoothest engine of them all (because the japanese engineer that created it HATES diesel engines)!

Honda says they will bring this engine to the US in the next 3 years!!!

Toyota D4D engine - again, another engine available around the world, but not here in the US! This engine is comparable to the CDI and TDI engines, but it is made by Toyota. They have used variants of this engine in the Auris, Camry, Hilux, Rav4, and Landcruiser (coming in a V8 D4D siting worldcarfans.com)

Toyota has made no OFFICIAL announcement of a US landing, but their recent acquisitions of large amounts of ISUZU stock shows a growing interest in Next Generation Diesel Engines! ISUZU is the largest manufacturer of small block diesel engines in the world.

The latest generation of diesel engines have particulate filters (kind of like our gassers have catalytic converters) that make emissions reach PEZV and LEV emission standards! Plus, they eliminate most of the odors of diesel smell. The best thing about all of this - diesel as a fuel is 30-40% more efficient than gasoline. It creates a much more efficient engine with much more power at the same size as a gasoline engine.

Yes, the torque is GREAT in a diesel, but most of all they are efficient. Plus, you can run on BIO-DIESEL. That comes into a whole new round of information, but suffice to say - bio-diesel is nothing more than organic oil that has been stabilized to retain a certain molecular structure under a range of temperatures so it does not gel. I ran B100 (100% biodiesel) in ALL of my diesel engines and got better mileage, less smoke (in those that smoked), and did not by petroleum products from any country but the US (still did oil changes).

All-in-all diesels are NOT what they used to be.
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Does anyone have experience buying parts for a diesel engine? Are they more expensive than their gas engine counterparts?
My experience with Volkswagen shows no significant difference, but then again here is my track record:

1984 VW Rabbit Pickup (Caddy) - Found in a junkyard with a kicked in radiator (probably a large rock). I put a new battery and a new radiator+hoses in it. It started right up. Got 45-56 MPG even with 165,000 miles on it. Spent total of $1000 in purchase and restoration. I sold it for $4000 within 8 hours of putting it up for sale!

1998 VW Jetta TDI - bought on Ebay for $4000 w/ 138,000 miles on it (guess where that money came from). Restored it to brand new condition spent about $800 on it (cosmetic work + broken rear axle). It got 38-51 MPG and it was FAST. I sold it to my best friend with 223,000 miles on it. It still ran and looked like it was brand new. He still drives it today 250,000+ miles.

2004 VW Golf TDI-PD - bought from my parents while they were out of the country. Never did anything to it. It got 40-50 MPG, and it was extremely fast. They bought it brand new for just under $18,000. I sold it back to them once they got back (read: needed something bigger). It now has 110,000 miles on it, and it has been the most reliable vehicle they have ever owned.

My experience with my 2005 Jeep Liberty CRD is not one that I like to recant. I have poor feelings for the DCX corporation, their quality control, and their customer service. I gave them a try, but I won't do it again.
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That would be great. I never understood why Americans seem to be afraid of diesel cars and light trucks, what is it about better gas mileage and longer lasting motors do people not like? My girlfriend had a VW TDI for a short period and it was great (40MPG), too bad it got totaled within two months.
Unfortunately most Americans remember the early 1980's GM V8 diesels that they threw together. These were V8 gasoline engines with a different head, intake, and exhaust. They were slow, loud, problematic, and smoky. Since then, Americans have associated diesel engines with these cars, the big rigs, and the 3/4 and 1 Ton trucks that spill tons of smoke.

Most of the guys that have these trucks here in Houston have them to prove a point - they are bigger, badder, and faster than you. Therefore they own the road and the off-road (though I doubt many of them have seen a true off-road adventure).

I don't blame spp for saying that diesels belch smoke and are loud and slow. Many of these big trucks are "tuned" to give so much performance without any consideration for what comes out the exhaust. As a matter of fact, most of them PURPOSELY make their trucks loud and smokey (again "to make their point")

Most small block Next Generation Turbo Diesels are economical, quiet, powerful, and enviromentally friendly. That is what I want in my Tacoma!




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Most small block Next Generation Turbo Diesels are economical, quiet, powerful, and enviromentally friendly. That is what I want in my Tacoma!
Well said, that was exactly my point. In Europe it’s hard to go 10Km without a diesel passing you and getting better gas mileage while they do it. I just got my 07 Tacoma and love it, but if they come out with a diesel I think I will have to trade up.
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surely innovations for better diesel fuel is in the works spp. it's already improved mercedes benz cars no noise and does not have that thick black cloud of exhaust it won't be long till it crosses over toyota market.
Just because you don't see the smoke doesn't mean they don't stink.
Like I said try riding a bike while bathed in diesel exhaust, visible or not.
Or sitting here in So Cal stop and go traffic and having to roll my windows up and recirculate the A/C to breath clean air.
As for not being noisy as someone posted? Get those ears checked out
I have a friend who is a diesel fanatic because of the longevity and low maintainance and better milage in his truck. Now diesel fuel in California is way more expensive than premium so where is the savings?
I will never own one and that's my choice. If you love them that's yours.
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Just because you don't see the smoke doesn't mean they don't stink.
Like I said try riding a bike while bathed in diesel exhaust, visible or not.
Or sitting here in So Cal stop and go traffic and having to roll my windows up and recirculate the A/C to breath clean air.
You missed what I said about diesel emissions...

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The latest generation of diesel engines have particulate filters (kind of like our gassers have catalytic converters) that make emissions reach PEZV and LEV emission standards!
Aside from my misquotation of the acronym, PZEV (which is about 75% below Tier 2 Bin 5 the emissions standard that took effect 2007) means that the emissions from a diesel engine would be as low as those coming from a 2007 Honda Civic. You won't be smelling anything because the new particulate filters (which start coming out this year) will remove almost all of the harmful (and bad smelling) emissions. Behind a new diesel, you won't notice the difference. California has NO new diesels. CARB standards do not allow any Next Generation Diesels into that state (and four others) until this year.

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As for not being noisy as someone posted? Get those ears checked out
I have a friend who is a diesel fanatic because of the longevity and low maintainance and better milage in his truck.
Ok, that is true. The big diesel trucks (f-250+ and Ram 2500+ and Silverado HD2500+) are all very loud.

I am not talking about engines that are half that size. These engines are all 3.0L or less. Yes, they are quieter than the gasoline counterparts because these companies are spending millions to make them that way. Everything from Vibration Dampening Engine Mounts to Advanced Composite Aluminum Blocks to better cabin insulation is noteworthy achievements, but together they make diesels that are quite refined.

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Now diesel fuel in California is way more expensive than premium so where is the savings?
In my TDIs, diesel will have to cost 2.03 times what gasoline costs for the costs to be equal per distance. Here in Texas Diesel fuel is 32 cents more that Regular Unleaded. Biodiesel in Houston is 48 cents CHEAPER per gallon than Regular Unleaded, and it is made using vegetable oil from the United States.

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I will never own one and that's my choice. If you love them that's yours.
Good for you. If you don't like them, that is fine. I love my 2.7L engine in my Tacoma, and the 4.0 is an incredible engine.

I am not trying to convert you to loving diesels. That isn't the point. I am just trying to make the very large distinction between what diesels were in the past and what they are now (at least on small block engines).

Unfortunately your view of diesels in California is limited to older diesels that superceed the CARB regulations or large trucks that are exempt from CARB regulations by law.

Also, don't misunderstand me, I think that what CARB regulations are doing to diesels is awesome! I can't wait to have a diesel that has extremely low emissions (to the unnoticible scale)!

For those of you that don't live in a CARB state: CARB stands for California Air Resources Board. Here is their website.
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I read and understood your post and agree that diesels are far from what they used to be but........ The only emissions testing I care about is done with my nose and lungs
While I agree that the MB diesel is much quieter I doubt the Toyota version will try to match that. Afterall it is going in a TRUCK and Toyota probably won't want to pass on the extra cost to consumers.
Hell look at the set packages they offered in my Tacoma
I would have liked a V-6 choice as well as alloy wheels and outside air temp but that only came on a Pre-Runner so........ I settled.
Still happy with Toyota this is my 9th or 10th one but sometimes they just forget about you unless you buy the top of the line model which is probably where the diesel will be available in the US.
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