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Discussion in 'Technical Chat' started by Janster, May 14, 2008.

  1. Apr 20, 2009 at 4:26 AM
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  2. Apr 20, 2009 at 4:42 AM
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    RP 5W-20
     
  3. Apr 23, 2009 at 5:03 AM
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    Good thread, Janster!
     
  4. Apr 23, 2009 at 5:14 AM
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    nice work janster
    4.0 2008 tacoma oil valvoline synthetic 5w30
    oil filter oe 4105409 :D
     
  5. Apr 23, 2009 at 5:59 AM
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    I've read on bob is the oil guy forum that a Amsoil EaO42 can be used if you want a larger oil filter.
    I may try one next time.
    For now it's a EaO57 filter and Amsoil 0w30.
     
  7. Jun 27, 2009 at 10:09 AM
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    Question for the "over-sized" filter users...

    I see that we have two Mobil 1 filters listed, M1-102 & M1-209. Now when I cross reference them on Fram's site they do list 109~3614 & 209~3600. When I used Toyota's 90915-20004 it is still Ph3614 (same with 90915-YZZD3~ Ph3614)

    Now I'm not starting a war on the quality of Fram or any other filter, I just want to know their numbers. (You can almost always find a Fram filter and everybody cross references them). :cool:

    So if any body knows if the Fram 3600 is the right "over-sized" filter I sure would be a happy camper.

    Thanks,
    Yuma Taco,
     
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  10. Jun 27, 2009 at 6:32 PM
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  11. Jun 27, 2009 at 9:22 PM
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    For you guys who've already inputted, make sure I have your input listed properly in the first post!

    Thanks!
     
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    If you're looking for the Fram equivalent to the M1-209, then it (the 209) crosses to a WIX 51516 on the WIX site, which in turn crosses to a PH3600 on the Fram site.
    It seems the 3600 is the one you are looking for then.
    I believe that is correct but try it yourself to double check.
     
  13. Jun 29, 2009 at 9:13 AM
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    For the guys using the Amsoil EAo57 oil filters, I just received this technical bulletin from Amsoil reguarding the extended oil filter change intervals the bulletin is attached. For me all it means is that I'll be changing the filter twice a year like the old EA filters.
     

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  16. Aug 28, 2009 at 7:40 PM
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    For the 05+ 4 cyl, is it really a good idea to list oil weights that contradict whats in the owners manual?

    I use mobil 1 0W-20 on mine btw
     
  17. Oct 10, 2009 at 6:31 AM
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    Anyway, I wanted to share some comparisons of common oil filters'
    apparent cleaning ability. I am really impressed with the OEM!

    The way I do this is to carefully cut the filter elements out of the cans without damaging them. Some elements are open at both ends, and I seal these tight at the end that goes toward the dome of the canister--away from the threaded end. I have a bread loaf pan of 5W-20 motor oil that I have mixed in a copious quantity of talcum powder (about 10 microns average as per The Filter Council); about half a cupful per quart. The mixture is thoroughly stirred, and the filter elements to be compared are immediately lowered in at the same time. When the the center tubes of the elements are full of filtered oil, A syringe is fitted with a 12 inch piec of 1/8 inch inside diameter tubing which is used to stir the inner contents of the filter and then draw a sample. The sample tubes are filled and plugged with pieces of nails at both ends. These sample tubes will be mounted vertically for more than a week to view the amount of filtrate that stacks up on the bottoms for comaprison. However, a lot can be seen just by the initial clarity of the diffeent samples.
    I also note which filter elements fill faster/flow better.

    A mention about the filters' advertized efficiencies:
    The PureOne model that I used--a PL20195 states 99.9% efficient at 20 microns. (20 one-thousandths of a millimeter)

    The Mobil 1 Extended Performance M1-209 states 99.2% efficiency, but without giving a particle size for which it can earn this rating. However, by telephone to the maker, Champion Labs, they told me they were "in the ballpark of a 10 micron nominal" filter. This means they catch about half the 10 micron sized particles--and more as the debris gets bigger of course.

    The Toyota OEM made by Denso, part number 90915-YZZD1 stated nothing specific.

    The Fram PH3593A (orange can) is shown as 95% efficient >20 microns. Presumably, they think you don't know what > means.

    The WIX built NAPA Gold 1348 has a nominal rating of 21 microns and a Beta of 2/20=21/37. The beta means 21 micron at 50% and 37 microns at 95% catch, respectively.

    The K&N HP-1004 I used, according to K&N via email:
    Filter media efficiency (per ISO 16889):



    100% at 40 microns

    100% at 35 microns

    100% at 30 microns

    99.4% at 25 microns

    98.9% at 20 microns

    97.1% at 15 microns

    92.3% at 10 microns

    82.5% at 5 microns

    But I am skeptical of the test conditions as this element was tested twice and never gave as clear of filtrate as it should have by comparison with know filter types.

    Here are some pictures:

    Left to right: Fram orange, WIX, K&N
    These have settled for a few days. I am non-plussed by the NAPA Gold/WIX. But This does correspond to the given betas, efficiencies, in my opinion. It is a well built filter, but has never been an outstanding performer in my cleaning tests. I used Fram for the low standard.
    The Wix NG still did a bit better than the K&N.

    DSC01319_e0829f72ab4dec95e5ad619af407ff3ceea52453.jpg

    Left to right: PureOne, Toyota OEM (Denso), Mobil 1 E.P., WIX, K&N
    It is hard to tell from the photo, but there is a clear visual difference in the first three, and the second two. The order of cleanliness from best to worst is also left to right. The PureOne, as expected, was outstanding. The Denso and M1 were almost the same but I have to give the nod to the Denso. The Denso also flowed best of all. The WIX and K&N were a bit on the mediocre side of cleanliness but both flowed well.
    The PureOne flows twice as fast as the same models made several years ago. There must have been some concern about start-up valve rattle--but I am speculating on that. The flow charts I have seen for the PureOnes show a nice, pleasing flow curve comparing favorably to other popular filters. The M1 flows about 2/3 again as fast as the PureOne in my test.
    Of course, these are all at room temperature with gravity pushing the oil in.

    DSC01317_fd42eb83d9ff8d21acd6a768beaa3c9b7081e988.jpg
    Now that the oil is clear above the “grit stacks,” here are some more objective pictures:
    Left to right; Fram orange, WIX, K&N
    It appear the WIX does best, Fram second and then K&N.
    LtoRFramWixKN_2159f62ce882734953cb70512ea10ac8676d6582.jpg




    Left to right; Mobil 1, PureOne, K&N, Denso, and WIX
    This oil/talc concentration is stronger than in the above picture.
    Note that I attempted to bracket the tops and bottoms of the grit stacks for visibility because some of these are resting on air bubbles rather than the bottom of the tube. The results are as expected considering the relative turbidity of the oil tubes before settling out with the exception of the K&N which must have developed a media leak by the second test run. As in the picture above, it already has been tested. I don’t know what happened to the K&N as it was handled with the same care as the others. Must be a defect. (still unacceptable to leak like this)
    LtoRM1P1KNDenWix-Copy_6a83d063702312e93dcf1db866a53263b1c7cab5.jpg
    So there you have it. Numbers are numbers, ads are ads, and dirt is dirt when held up to the light.

    Rob
     
  18. Oct 10, 2009 at 8:10 PM
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    Thought you all might want to know that the Bus size K&N oil filter, HP-2004, now I tested it three times cleaning the element with kerosene between and it's filtering as good or better than the M1, and almost as good as the PureOne every time. I think something was leaking in the first one I tested. Maybe a tear in the paper.
    L to R: PureOne, Mobil 1, K&N
    P1KNM1secondtest_c0226a9b69b9a6300a27a97e4cd95f1089a0ca0c.jpg
     
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  20. Oct 13, 2009 at 3:43 PM
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