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Old 07-19-2011, 03:28 PM   #1
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Long time lurker with a question.

So I'm looking to buy a 2012 Tacoma Sport, CC, Long Bed with the Tow Package. I have a Malibu Wakeboard Boat that is around 4500 lbs loaded and a Nash 25s travel trailer around 5400 lbs loaded.

The trailer I'm going to pull probably around 400 miles per year if that. I have a weight distribution hitch for the trailer. The boat 120 miles per year with a few years up to 600 miles. That will only be when we go to Shasta though. I'm also plan on selling the boat and getting a lighter boat in the next year or 2. I'm not to worried about the boat.

According to the spec's of the truck I should be good. Other than the trailer and boat I don't really tow very much.

Does anyone think I'll run into issues? I don't really want a Tundra but I could always get one instead of the Tacoma.
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What else is in the truck (people / gear) when you are towing that trailer, and how do you know the loaded weight? Did you go to a scale and does it include the tongue weight?
It may be doable, but no matter what, you'll be on the edge or most likely over it.
If it was me, and if you can afford it, I'd go for the Tundra with tow. You'll be a much happier camper.
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I think you'll be ok. The TT will be hitting your max, but if your terrain isn't that bad, you'll be ok. I'd look into upgrading your rear suspension at the least. The tongue weight of that TT will make the stock suspension droop down.

Make sure you get a brake controller for the TT. The boat trailer uses surge brakes so you won't need it there.
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I think you'll be ok. The TT will be hitting your max, but if your terrain isn't that bad, you'll be ok. I'd look into upgrading your rear suspension at the least. The tongue weight of that TT will make the stock suspension droop down.

Make sure you get a brake controller for the TT. The boat trailer uses surge brakes so you won't need it there.
I can tell you are not towing anything with any significant tongue weight. What he needs at the very bare minimum is a WDH and not a rear suspension upgrade. This is not about just keeping the rear up, it is about distributing the actual weight to the front to be able to maintain braking power.
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I have a weight distributing hitch and will have a brake controller. I took the trailer to a scale to see how much it weighed. The tongue weight was around 600 and the trailer was loaded with more weight than a normal trip because I was pulling it with a 1 ton that day. I'll have around 500 pounds in the cab of the truck when going. The trailer is going to be around 5000 pounds when I pull it with the tacoma.

I'm struggling with fact that a Tundra 4.6 can only tow 6300 lbs so that puts me into a 5.7 and I'm not sure that I want that big of a truck with gas prices only going up.
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If I were to buy a full size I'd get a Chevy

The Tundra is nice but it's a gas guzzler. A full size will definitely tow much easier and more comfortably than the Tacoma. Tacoma's are great trucks but aren't always the right choice for everyone.
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I pull a TT @ 3900 lbs loaded and it does great. 5400# would make me upgrade.
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I can tell you are not towing anything with any significant tongue weight. What he needs at the very bare minimum is a WDH and not a rear suspension upgrade. This is not about just keeping the rear up, it is about distributing the actual weight to the front to be able to maintain brake power.
you're right, I haven't towed anything too too heavy, but with a TT being 5400 lbs, that's a tongue weight of 540 lbs (not incluing anything that's added to the bed and TT that can add more weight!), which is close to the max of what the taco can handle. the WD set up is great in that it helps with spreading the load across the axles, but I was just merely suggesting upgrading the suspension, not saying that it's required.
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If I was to buy a Chevy I wouldn't get the cylinder deactivation which then puts the MPG at 13-18 with the 5.3L and it only has a tow rating of 6700 lbs. The 6.2 is the motor that increases the tow rating.

Really the 1/2 tons all get about the same mileage. So it comes down to the best deal and what truck you think is the best. For me it would be the Chevy or Tundra.

I could always have my buddy tow it to the lake for me I suppose. I've always wanted a Tacoma.
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I may have missed a few details here.

Do you own this TT or have you bought it yet? It sounds like you're borrowing one from your first post.

If you haven't bought yet, then you might want to consider a smaller one.

Tongue weights on Travel Trailers are not generally the 10% rule, each of them has a vastly different tongue weight due to Propane Tanks, Deep Cycle Batteries, WD hitch setups, and frame construction. Most tend to be 12% - 15% of total weight, not 10%.

The specs are going to be specifically listed for that trailer on the unit itself, usually near the tongue or behind the cabinet under the sink in the kitchen area.

If you like the Tacoma, then consider making the compromise on the travel trailer side, not the truck. Find a smaller trailer, get someone to tow it for you, etc.

99% of the time you'll enjoy the truck, and 1% you'll need it to tow. No sense paying a premium and getting worse gas MPG for 1% use. I struggled with this decision as well, and this is what I came up to.
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I have a weight distributing hitch and will have a brake controller. I took the trailer to a scale to see how much it weighed. The tongue weight was around 600 and the trailer was loaded with more weight than a normal trip because I was pulling it with a 1 ton that day. I'll have around 500 pounds in the cab of the truck when going. The trailer is going to be around 5000 pounds when I pull it with the tacoma.

I'm struggling with fact that a Tundra 4.6 can only tow 6300 lbs so that puts me into a 5.7 and I'm not sure that I want that big of a truck with gas prices only going up.
I think you'd go over the limit. The truck has a payload of around 1,300 lbs. The 500 lbs in the truck cab and the 600 lbs tongue weight are 1,100 lbs right there.
That leaves you with 200lbs for yourself, any other person, gas, or anything else in the bed. My WDH alone weighs like 60 or 70 lbs.
You have the advantage of not owning truck and trailer yet.
My recommendation is: smaller trailer or 5.7 Tundra. You'll be surprised, the V8's don't use that much more gas compared to the same truck with a V6.
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you're right, I haven't towed anything too too heavy, but with a TT being 5400 lbs, that's a tongue weight of 540 lbs (not incluing anything that's added to the bed and TT that can add more weight!), which is close to the max of what the taco can handle. the WD set up is great in that it helps with spreading the load across the axles, but I was just merely suggesting upgrading the suspension, not saying that it's required.
Agreed. I was just trying to point out that a stronger suspension would not cut it in this case here. It would be a good idea anyway though, I guess, good point. I have the 4 leaf springs on mine.
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I think you'd go over the limit. The truck has a payload of around 1,300 lbs. The 500 lbs in the truck cab and the 600 lbs tongue weight are 1,100 lbs right there.
That leaves you with 200lbs for yourself, any other person, gas, or anything else in the bed. My WDH alone weighs like 60 or 70 lbs.
You have the advantage of not owning truck and trailer yet.
My recommendation is: smaller trailer or 5.7 Tundra. You'll be surprised, the V8's don't use that much more gas compared to the same truck with a V6.
300 pounds with me and my wife and what ever else we have in the truck which wouldn't be much if anything. Nothing would go in the bed. The trip would be 40 miles up and 40 miles back. Trailer was 5400 loaded. We could always take gear up the next week or the wife could follow up in the car. My guess is we had about 500 to 600 pounds in gear in the camper when I weighed the first time.

We own the trailer (we got a smokin deal) most years we'll probably only take it to the lake which is 80 miles round trip.
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Hmm 80 miles might not be such a problem a few times a year, but just do yourself a favor and get the trailer weighed at local CAT Scale, it's only like $10 and then you'll know how much your potential rig would weigh.

If you keep under you limits for trailer, your GCVW, your truck's max payload all at once, then you should be fine.

My truck and trailer loaded came in on the scales at 8800#, that's with a 4000# trailer. Your truck's curb weight will be in the area of 4000# + people + cargo + ~150# for fuel. In my case I could tow your setup legally, and if it were only 80 miles I'd probably do it fine.

Make sure you get a nice WD hitch, like the Reese Dual Cams or Equalizer. They are worth their friggin weight in gold.
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It's just 40 miles in May and 40 in Sept. I could always have my buddy tow it to the lake since we put our trailer on his property.

The trailer was right at #5400 loaded according to a trucker scale, full of food for about 3 years(my wife has to fill every nook and cranny), drinks, gas everything. If the Tacoma pulls it it would only have air in it and nothing else. Just a guess but 5000 pounds would be on the heavy side.
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Did you uncouple the trailer from the truck on the scale? Just wondering.
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I didn't uncouple the trailer. I weighed the the rear of the truck with the trailer hooked up then weighed the trailer. I then went home and disconnected the trailer went back to the scale and weighed the rear axle so I could do some math to figure out the trailer weight.
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