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Discussion in 'Toyota Trucks & SUVs' started by MrGuitarguy, Jul 21, 2011.

  1. Jul 23, 2011 at 11:02 AM
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    The 5vze is a toyota motor, its the V6 in the 1st gen tacoma and 3rd gen 4runner

    The lower gearing (higher number) will mean higher engine speed at a given wheel speed. So your rpms will be higher.

    You can get the re-gear done many places, just search around.

    The aussie locker is the same design as the detroit ez locker but I think it is a bit stronger and also a little cheaper. You can get them for around $260
     
  2. Jul 23, 2011 at 1:21 PM
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    Fuel injected I assume. Replacing an engine sounds expensive. Should I get better fuel economy since my truck is smaller? Would it be better to replace the engine or just put performance parts on the 22r?

    How much do you think it will cost to re gear? Any brands you recommend?

    Also you got rep from me. Thanks for your help.

    * I guess I should add I'm very interested in having the best fuel economy I can have. At least as good as the 05, if not better. Yes..I plan to keep the off road tires :) I understand they lower the mpg.
     
  3. Jul 23, 2011 at 1:36 PM
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    tacokid09 it's about the off-road miles

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    id rock that!! :thumbsup:
     
  4. Jul 23, 2011 at 2:22 PM
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    Re-gearing depends on the parts and the shop rate but IIRC I was quoted 2hrs rear and 2.5 front for my pickup at $95/hr plus the cost of the gears which you can get for around $200 per set from places like: http://www.marlincrawler.com/differential/ring-pinion/rp-hilux/toyota-8-4cyl
     
  5. Jul 23, 2011 at 5:33 PM
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    If you buy a used axle and do the work yourself should be reasonable. I would save up and do the re-gear, SAS and locker all at the same time.
    The AC will only use a few HP but the 22r only has a few HP!
    The engines I mentions are cheap to get used and the 3L is a Toyota and came in that frame in 88 and 89! The 3.4L came in the 1st gen's and you can get the supercharger for it.

    My 85 with a 22RE, 4" lift and 34" tires got worse MPG than my 96 running 32" and a 3.4L. There was a 500+ lb difference between them!
    A 3.4L in that truck will get you better mileage than your 05 and you may not need to re-gear.

    jberry813 just replaced his 3.4L!
     
  6. Jul 24, 2011 at 8:55 AM
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    How much do you think the engine should cost? What are all the parts needed for the re gear.
     
  7. Jul 24, 2011 at 8:58 AM
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    What would be better in yals opinion? Different engine, or upgraded parts on current engine. Keep in mind the MPG is just as important as its off road capabilities. Id like to get at least what the 05 gets on mpg.

    Thanks again guys.
     
  8. Jul 24, 2011 at 10:22 AM
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    If you have not ever done a re-gear and you don't know exactly what you are doing then I suggest you have a shop do it. It isn't necessarily a hard process but it takes a fair amount of time and finess. You have to spend time making sure your backlash and pinion depth are correct or your gears aren't going to last long. You need special tools like dial indicators and a shop press and you will more than likely have to take it apart and put it back together multiple times before you find the correct shim thickness.
     
  9. Jul 24, 2011 at 2:51 PM
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    A different engine would be better than upgrading your's if your going for mileage. As far as gearing see cummins6speed comment. :cool:

    I would get the engine first (3.4L), then a 85Toy front axle with 4.10 gears and rebuild the rear at the same time!
    Getting the engine first will give you more drivability of the truck and enough HP to turn the tires with AC.
     
  10. Jul 24, 2011 at 4:05 PM
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    I agree, I would get the engine first. If you go with, say, a 3.4L V6 you can most likely get away without re-gearing with the 33's. That gives you the ~$800 you would have spent for the re-gear to put toward the motor swap, much more bang for your buck. Then if you plan on an SAS, you can get a 4.10 front axle to match and just throw a cheap locker in the rear and you will be pretty set up.
     
  11. Jul 24, 2011 at 8:44 PM
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    What year Toyotas did this 3.4 engine come on? And what is a ballpark price I should pay for one of these?
     
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    5vze came in the 95-04 tacoma and the 96-02 4runner I believe. I would say you could get a good engine for around $1000-1200
     
  13. Jul 24, 2011 at 11:13 PM
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    Where would you recommend looking for these engines? Junk Yards?
     
  14. Jul 25, 2011 at 7:41 AM
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    Start there but maybe buy a wrecked truck to get the CPU and all the accessories. :cool:
     
  15. Jul 25, 2011 at 9:10 PM
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    But isnt that risky since its wrecked. Doesnt that mean the engine and other parts may not work?

    Also if I change the engine will it be compatible with the transmission? Or will I need a 94-02 trans too?

    You guys have been extremely helpful and Ill make sure to give yal credit when I make my build thread. I plan to keep this truck for life so its going to be a great build.
     
  16. Jul 25, 2011 at 9:18 PM
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    The best way to do it would be to buy a whole wrecked truck, yes you may find one with a bad engine but that is just what you have to look out for. Most of the time it will just be body damage.

    If you can afford it, buying a whole truck is usually cheaper in the long run becuase you can part it out re recoup part or all of what you paid, and even make a profit off of it.
     
  17. Jul 25, 2011 at 10:52 PM
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    That's what I am hoping for. Will I need a new transmission when I get the different engine or is compatible with my current transmission?

    Someone mentioned the CPU. It's essentially the brain of the engine, but where is is located? Should I make sure the engine comes with it or?

    Sorry for all the questions I just want to make sure I cover all the bases for when I buy all the things for the truck.
     
  18. Jul 25, 2011 at 10:55 PM
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    1Bigbird Yo! Wat up peeps?

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    What he said! ^^

    Your truck has a weak reverse gear so upgrading the trans would be a good idea.
     
  19. Jul 25, 2011 at 11:03 PM
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    Should I also rip that off the junk truck? What its starting to sound like is essentially a 95+ Toyota on an 85 chassis. Also I was actually surprised how fast my reverse was considering it had those tires on. I'm quite happy with the reverse. Unless you're referring to another problem with the gear.
     
  20. Jul 25, 2011 at 11:13 PM
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    Keep your transfer case and diff, but ya a old truck with a heart transplant.
    Your reverse can kick out of gear and chip a tooth which can rattle around destroying everything else in there. Happened three times to my brother.
     

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