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Old 02-06-2013, 08:14 PM   #41
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Also: Surprised Toyota is revealing this early. Would worry it'll cannibalize some Tundra sales with people holding out for '14.
Psychology.

They know that the new design will take some time to grow on us.

I hated the 2nd Gen Tacoma in '05, and wasn't crazy about the Tundra facelift in '03.
I still don't care for the 2nd Gen Tundra.

The new design is coming and people know it. Right now, sales are hurting because people are holding out for the '14.
Toyota reveals it now, and half of those currently holding out for the '14 will be scared into buying the '13 while they're still available.


They may also make it a mid-year release and push the '14 to dealerships in July.
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I loved the 2gen Taco facelift. I didn't like the sizelift. I want this sheetmetal on a truck the size of a 1st gen.

The 2gen Tundra, 5gen 4Runner, and new Taco facelift all look like ass. I hate to say it, but Toyota has lost their shit with recent styling. The Camry and Corolla are bland enough to succeed (which they basically need to be, so mission accomplished), but everything else in ToMoCo's lineup looks like a Highlander variant.

Frankly, when it comes to styling, Ford is beating their ass these days.
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The new Corolla is actually pretty cool.
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The new Corolla is actually pretty cool.
Depends how you define it. I have no problem with the bland styling. It's an econobox.

It does lag current competition in NVH though...they ride rough, they're loud, and wind/road/engine noise are absurd. The drivetrain is unchanged from the previous gen, so it's the same ol' 1.8L 4cyl and four speed (four speed! In 2013!) transmission. It gets great mileage but it gearhunts like a motherfucker. I love this review:

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This is the third thousand-ish-mile rental review I’ve done in the past few months (I drove an Elantra to Nashville in December and a Jetta to Kalamazoo, Michigan in March) and I’m starting to have a real fondness for the format. There’s a squeaky-clean pleasure in evaluating a vehicle away from the reality-distortion field of a press event or the micro-drive format of a dealership test. The only problem is finding places to go on these trips: there are only so many guitar shops, vintage clothing dealers, or long-limbed Tennessee brunettes in this world.

Luckily for me, TTAC feels a certain responsibility to cover the New York Auto Show, so I had a 551-mile commute to make and a nonexistent expense account with which to handle it. Time to call Hertz again… but I had a Rebecca Blackian dilemma concerning which seat to take. Impala? Crown Vic? Equinox? Nope, let’s keep the compact ball rolling. I asked for it, I got it: Toyota! More specifically, I got a Corolla.

Little did I know that, fewer than twenty-four hours after arriving in the city where I was born, I would be fleeing Gotham in disarray.



I’m not sure exactly what kind of Corolla I received from the yellow-sign folks. It looked like an “S” from a distance but didn’t have a USB port or “S” badges. Call it nearly an “S”, then, and let’s guesstimate the price at $17,990. It’s that rarest of things: a genuinely outdated mainstream Japanese-branded automobile. This generation has been available globally for over six years, and upon its debut it had the definite look of a thorough but timid update to the previous car. Were this an Impala or Town Car, we’d have self-appointed experts telling us that it’s basically a thirteen-year-old vehicle, but the Law Of English-speaking Foreign-Platform Ignorance applies here and therefore the Corolla gets a pass from the average forum rat.

The infamous Vodka McBigbra doesn’t read Web forums, and therefore she didn’t have the decency to keep her mouth shut as we pulled onto the Interstate. “Oh. My. God. This. Car. Is. So. Loud.” She was right, too. It’s mostly road noise and mechanical stuff, not wind, but the Corolla requires a solid twist of the Typical Toyota Playskool Volume Knob to drown out the din. The recording with which I’d hoped to pass the first few hours, an amateur recording of the Pat Metheny Trio in San Severino, was unusable in this context. The dynamics of the performance made half of it inaudible and the other half punishing. The same was true for my next choice, Corinne Bailey Rae’s “The Sea”. We ended up settling on Gary Moore’s “Bad For You Baby”. The recently-deceased Moore engineered his records to almost a Black Eyed Peas’ worth of consistent compression, all the better to make that Les Paul BFG scream.

“I’m going to be deaf when this trip is over,” Vodka complained. “And I’m also wondering if — STOP JERKING THE CAR BACK AND FORTH!”
“I’m not doing anything,” I whined. “It’s the car.” And it really was the car, dear readers. The Corolla was rapidly shaping up to be the worst freeway whip I’d driven in years. The torque converter in the prehistoric four-speed automatic locks up early and stays locked when the throttle is released. The Corolla, therefore, bucks just like a stick-shift car when you come off the right pedal. However, since your humble author drives a lot of manual-transmission automobiles, I am in the habit of reducing throttle semi-smoothly even if the car doesn’t require that I do so. Toyota’s cruise control, on the other hand, has no such compunction. Heading downhill on a freeway, the computer will repeatedly cut and reinstate throttle, setting up an alarming rocking motion that is guaranteed to rustle one’s jimmies. As a former VW owner, I interpreted every throttle cut as this bitch just died on me, causing me to spend the first two hundred or so miles of this trip in perpetual panic.

Toyota’s next questionable decision: putting the cruise-control stalk at about 4:30 on the steering wheel. Every time I set the cruise, I would take my foot off the throttle, which caused me to reposition my right leg, which caused my knee to bump the cruise stalk forward, which canceled the cruise, which caused the throttle to cut, which caused the Corolla to pitch forward, which caused me to think this bitch just died on me, which caused me to stop reading Literotica’s “NonConsent/Reluctance” section on my Droid3 long enough to look for any available shoulder on which to pull the dying Toyopet before the Kenworth behind me hit my reluctant ass with a nonconsensual pulling up to the proverbial bumper in the proverbial long black limousine. Exciting stuff.

I never completely came to a peaceful accommodation with the Corolla’s tug-job ways, but after three or four hundred miles I was able to let my anger go and focus on the little sedan’s other salient features. Let me take a minute here to discuss the first time I drove a Lotus Elise, many years ago. I was just sooooo impressed by the twin-hooded Stack instrument panel and hard-core flat-bottomed steering wheel. “This,” I remember thinking, “separates the sporting vehicles from the pretenders.”



No longer. If the Elise was Bob Dylan, this Corolla is that new Miley Cyrus take on “You’re Gonna Make Me Lonesome When You Go”. To make things just slightly more depressing, the metallic inserts on the Corolla’s wheel weren’t securely fastened. I worried them with my thumbs like one pokes a sore tooth with one’s tongue, rocking them back and forth, making the situation worse. V. McB, meanwhile, was poking at a sore tooth with her tongue. Something wasn’t quite right with a crown she’d had performed the day before.

This is normally the time in a TTAC piece where someone discusses understeer. I didn’t find any, even running 85mph down some fairly cramped sections of Route 80 in Pennsylvania where the trucks were down to 60 or so and Jake-braking with a vengeance. Sorry about that. Nor was there any “snap oversteer at the limit”. Nor was the Corolla unable to climb a hill, although the fucking noise it made when it finally unclipped the torque converter and grabbed third sounded like someone had a “bumpy drill” against my molars. Dynamically, the car was okay. The only demerit I’d assign was a certain unwillingness to stay straight in even the lightest crosswind. What do you expect? It’s a small car that has gotten amazingly tall and tippy-looking since retreating from the sublime near-perfection of its 1991-vintage seventh generation.

The Corolla is easy to park, so park it we did before riding the bus to the Javits Center for the first day of the New York Auto Show. As the phrase goes, however, uneasy lies the head that has a recent crown, so when Vodka’s porcelain faux-tooth finally made its bloody bid for freedom we’d completed just half of the event. Time to split, and no time to mess around with it.

I stopped just once in the 551-mile trip back, covering the distance in a less than Cannonball-worthy seven hours and twenty-four minutes. All the Corolla annoyances continued to annoy: the noise, the cruise control, the mild wandering, the transmission, the steering wheel, and some other things I haven’t yet mentioned, like the center armrest which somehow managed to be sharp-edged, unpleasantly hard, and yet oddly wobbly. You get the idea, right? I didn’t like this car. It isn’t that I would take a Jetta or Elantra over the Corolla. It’s more like a situation where I would take the bus over the Corolla. The Jetta, in particular, just has it beat six ways to Sunday.

Cometh the final fillup, however, I achieved some perspective.
1107.7 miles / 30.737 gallons = 36.04mpg

Only now, at the end, did I understand. The dumb-assed transmission was actually not dumb-assed at all. It simply had different priorities than I did, with the biggest priority being saving me money. Think of it. A platform that is probably something like eighty-four in dog years, with an engine/transmission combo for which the term “antiquated” is a polite obfuscation, turns in monster mileage. Surely, also, it would continue to do so well past the Singularity and/or the end of oil. Only a sucker would bet against a Corolla’s reliability.

Something’s going on here. Either Toyota really understands the compact market, or I really don’t. Perhaps it’s both. No, I wouldn’t buy a Corolla. I wouldn’t even rent another one: I’ll pay the extra gas money and drive something that isn’t a complete travail to operate. If you buy one, however, I will understand.

Perfectly accurate and entertainingly written. I love my 2003 Matrix for the fact that in over 200,000 miles it has never needed a repair and still gets ~33 highway MPG. There's a lot to be said for a car that never breaks.


Just realize, it's not an incredibly comfortable or stylish way to transport yourself.
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I was talking about the 2014...
That. I see no reason why we need it and a Camry.

Are we really supposed to take the Yaris seriously if we want a compact car? Or is this Toyota trying to not-so-subtly push us all into one of their five Prii models? Because as big as that fucking thing is, they're basically offering two midsize models.

But you're right. It looks better at least.
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Toyota has always had two small-ish models... Corolla/Yaris, Corolla/Echo, Corolla/Paseo, Corolla/Tercel.... Corolla/Celica (and I hesitate to include the "sporty" model, but honestly, the pre-Tercel Celica was simply Toyota's version of the Datsun 210 and not a particular performer... I often heard it referred to as a "fat girl's car")

If the Corolla is getting as large as it appears, I suspect that they are prepping for (or perhaps releasing in 2014) a hybrid Corolla.

Back around '04, Toyota indicated that they had rough plans to have a 100% hybrid fleet by 2012-2014, and with the new hybrid Avalon, they've covered that on all models except the "full frame" trucks/SUVs, Corolla, and Yaris.

This is similar to the styling used when the Rav4 grew in '06 prior to the hybrid release.
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Toyota has always had two small-ish models... Corolla/Yaris, Corolla/Echo, Corolla/Paseo, Corolla/Tercel.... Corolla/Celica (and I hesitate to include the "sporty" model, but honestly, the pre-Tercel Celica was simply Toyota's version of the Datsun 210 and not a particular performer... I often heard it referred to as a "fat girl's car")
Yeah, but the smaller of the two was always a subcompact. They don't really have one of those anymore...the Yaris is but compact.

Either they want us to go to Scion, or vehicle creep (and fatter America) is just winning out. Not sure which.
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^^its all about upcoming regulations that Toyota must meet. As an auto manufacturer their lineup must average a high enough mpg, so they produce more and more small models o bump I up the company's mpg.

As far as the Tundra goes I like all the photos leaked and am looking forward to seeing it today.
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It's cool, but the front looks ALOT like the previous generation...other than that, I like what I've seen with the webcast.

Looks like same 3 power trains and transmissions according to what he said...

No diesel, no 8speed trans.

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The back part means no one will be able to debadge their tundra. its looks very similar to the previous model
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Looks to have a better approach angle for Offroad as well...but way too similar to previous models to be the ALL NEW TUNDRA
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It's alright. I like everything but that grill. For some reason I'm reminded of a fat chick with braces when I look at the front... Or a parrot fish... I dunno. Not a fan of it. Everything else is cool tho.
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