Toyota Prices Tundra Pickup Above Rivals

[TheMaster]

http://news.moneycentral.msn.com/tic...125&ID=6389250

[surfponto]

Still waiting for the turbo-diesel version to compete with the Cummins, Duramax and/or Power Stroke engines that Dodge, Chevy and Ford offer.

I think Toyota may lose a decent segment of the full size heavy duty truck market because of this.



Bob

[gdawg25]

You cant lose it if you never had it...Toyota is new to the full size market. By the looks of it they are taking a big run at it...cant wait till they put the big 3 on their asses!

[TheMaster]

Originally Posted by surfponto

I think Toyota may lose a decent segment of the full size heavy duty truck market because of this. Bob

Baby steps.
One step at a time.
Slow and steady wins the race......

[paulcleston]

Be Careful what you wish for. There are a lot of Canadians who make their living and have for a lot of years working for the big three.
Having a brand preference is one thing. Hoping for thousands of people to loose their jobs is another.

[spp]

Guess Toyota will need extra workers when they take over so come on down Canadians. Texas can use some workers from the other border.

[paulcleston]

Who's kidding who. Do you think the Canadians are going to compete with the southern border for jobs? Pipe dreams.

[natrlyst]

Be careful what you wish for? In a perfect world, nobody would have to lose their jobs. Toyota also has and is opening more plants in Canada as well. There are plenty of jobs to go around. DO not kid yourself that it is Toyota's fault that the former big three are having problems, it is their own fault.

[paulcleston]

Did not suggest that Toyota was responsible for anything. Just seems a little strange that anyone would be excided for three major companies to "go on their ass."

[TheMaster]

Originally Posted by paulcleston

......seems a little strange that anyone would be excided for three major companies to "go on their ass."

Quote of the Day: "Vengeance is a dish best served cold" [Unknown]

It's due to their bull headedness. The Big Three continued to market fuel guzzling, environmentally unfriendly, unreliable hunks of shiny, rust prone metal. Some model years last 2-3 years at most. Poor and lower middle class citizens unsuspectingly buy this crap due to clever marketing, zero percent financing offers and never get out of the financial quagmire they started off with, because they have to pour more of their minimum wage income into keeping these sub standard automotive contraptions on the road by foregoing other basic essentials. Resale value is reflective of a brick dropped from the roof of the Empire State Building. Customer service at best stinks to high heaven and the concept of customer retention is non existent and one must engage in interplanetary travel for its definition. Buying one of their vehicles is the equivalent of paying $20,000 to get your testicles kicked hard and at will, many times a year.

My hatred for Ford is paramount and their demise would give me that last laugh after all the BS and attitude I got from them and the money they siphoned out of me. I regret that many auto workers will lose their jobs because they let complacency set in. The modern economy cannot sustain those high paying union protected jobs that continue to roll out an inferior product, any longer. Its bone head supreme at the highest echelon. They planned for their demise. One does not have to be a genius to comprehend. The average consumer is more educated today. We now have GM re-brand Korean built auto’s and charge premium dollars from the unsuspecting public. Its time for the experiment to end. Hard working people need value for money and reliability. The intelligent/educated consumer is now paying a premium to buy Japanese. This is the Big Three's Pearl Harbor, relived 66 years later.

Purchasing an automobile is the second largest purchase most people make. It is also one of the worst investment decisions one would ever make hence, it is wise to make it the best, worst decision you make. That's why we are here at TW.

[paulcleston]

Being one of the Low or middle class citizens, I have purcased five new cars,one new truck and one used pickup since 1987. In 1987 and 91 Oldsmobiles, 1995 and 98 Dodge Intrepids, 2001 Dodge 1500, and a new Ford Car in 2006. A 1999 Toyota Tacoma with 16,000 miles on it in late 2006.. Drove all the cars (except the new ford) over 100,000 miles before selling. We low class folks like to get a new one ever so often because the styles sometimes change. I drove the Dodge pickup for five years and decided to sell it because the 5.9 engine was a little thirsty at 3.00 per gal. In those 19 years I replaced an air conditioning Compressor and evaporator on one Dodge and that was the major expenses. I got from 28to 32 Mpg on the GM and Dodges and am doing the same on the Ford. I Bought a 99 Tacoma to replace the Dodge Pickup. As I stated in an earlier thread, I now have half the truck that I had although it cost me half as much for gas to run. The more I drive it the more I reolize that I really have half a Truck. I am now in the market for a real truck and I may give the new Japanese Trucks a look because they too are offering low to no interest as well as other incentives. And I don't know what all the dealers are going to do with the half auto and half golf cart that their lots are full of that they bragged so much about when they first hit the market as a Hybrid. I also saw on the news that when the new real gas mileage rating comes out it will be half of the original rating. Those rich guys that stood in line to pay over list price may now have a little resale problem.
Some of that stuff you guys smoke up there must be very powerful. Any chance of sharing your source?

[007Tacoma]

Originally Posted by surfponto

Still waiting for the turbo-diesel version to compete with the Cummins, Duramax and/or Power Stroke engines that Dodge, Chevy and Ford offer.

I think Toyota may lose a decent segment of the full size heavy duty truck market because of this.

Bob

DITTO!

I want to see a diesel in Tundra and a turbo diesel 4-6 cylinder in a Tacoma!

[007Tacoma]

Originally Posted by paulcleston

Being one of the Low or middle class citizens, I have purcased five new cars,one new truck and one used pickup since 1987. In 1987 and 91 Oldsmobiles, 1995 and 98 Dodge Intrepids, 2001 Dodge 1500, and a new Ford Car in 2006. A 1999 Toyota Tacoma with 16,000 miles on it in late 2006.. Drove all the cars (except the new ford) over 100,000 miles before selling. We low class folks like to get a new one ever so often because the styles sometimes change. I drove the Dodge pickup for five years and decided to sell it because the 5.9 engine was a little thirsty at 3.00 per gal. In those 19 years I replaced an air conditioning Compressor and evaporator on one Dodge and that was the major expenses. I got from 28to 32 Mpg on the GM and Dodges and am doing the same on the Ford. I Bought a 99 Tacoma to replace the Dodge Pickup. As I stated in an earlier thread, I now have half the truck that I had although it cost me half as much for gas to run. The more I drive it the more I reolize that I really have half a Truck. I am now in the market for a real truck and I may give the new Japanese Trucks a look because they too are offering low to no interest as well as other incentives. And I don't know what all the dealers are going to do with the half auto and half golf cart that their lots are full of that they bragged so much about when they first hit the market as a Hybrid. I also saw on the news that when the new real gas mileage rating comes out it will be half of the original rating. Those rich guys that stood in line to pay over list price may now have a little resale problem.
Some of that stuff you guys smoke up there must be very powerful. Any chance of sharing your source?

WOW... I came into this conversation a bit late...

Err, I just want a truck that gets decent mileage and that I can run bio-diesel.

[steviestyles]

The Master had some good points about the Big 3...I wouldn't go so far as to say they are for lower Middle Class folks because if that's the case, I don't know how the "lower" portion of the middle class is able to buy a $60k Corvette, or Cadillac. Anyways, yes, the Big 3 suffers from lots of stubborness in management, years of complacency and they are a victim of the Unions. How is it Honda, Toyota, and Nissan are able to build vehicles in the US with no Unions and the workers seem content. The Big 3 need to abolish the Union contracts and come out and say, "If you UAW folks want to continue to have a job, you need to restructure your contract or there will be no job to come to" Also it takes the Big 3 longer to address customer needs and complaints. For years, some of the biggest knocks on the American builds is their inferior build quality, and interiors...only 20 years later are they starting to make strides to do something about this. Sure the Big 3 sunk their fortunes on building SUV's and pickups truck neglecting the mid size car market. The Ford Taurus up until the 90's was the best selling car in the US, but Ford decided to go all Explorer and let the Taurus fade into the sunset basically throwing the towel in on the car segment, and now Ford, GM, and Chrysler all face today the downside of high gas prices. I don't think the new Tundra will take over market share of the F-150, or Silverado as quickly as most of you do, but if GM, FOrd, and Chrysler don't start looking t the market trends, listening to customer's, do their research, and learn from past mistakes, then theBig 3 will truly be in big trouble as the large segment pick up market is the last and only market they truly dominate.

[paulcleston]

Steviestyles makes some good points about how the big three and how they got where they are. Big unions and non-inspired workers had a lot to do with the quality problem that they had in past years. Still has to do with the pricing of cars today. However the big anvil around their necks is the hundreds of thousands of retired people that they pay a pension check to and provide health care for. These are cost that the forign makers are not facing and wont for a long time.
We have several Plants in our state now and their cost are lower because of a younger labor force, plus all the incentives that this state pays to have them here. I think the older companies would like to shuck the unions but from my experience in working with unions from the management side of the table, when they get a good hold, you almost have to close the doors to break the deal. Also I have never belong to a union but I firmly believe that had it not been for labor unions, that 90% of us would fit into the lower class when it comes to finances.
Thanks for the posts and I am going to discontinue my post on this issue. I have said probably more than I should already. My intent was not to offend but to point out that there are usually more sides to an issue than may appear. I wish life could be so simple. We would all be better off.

[brownie374]

One thing to remember unions brought you the weekend!

[TheMaster]

Originally Posted by steviestyles

The Master had some good points about the Big 3...I wouldn't go so far as to say they are for lower Middle Class folks because if that's the case, I don't know how the "lower" portion of the middle class is able to buy a $60k Corvette, or Cadillac.

Let me clarify my “poor and lower middle class” comment in this thread.

I was referring to the market segment that can ONLY afford low end vehicles such an the Ford Escort/Focus, Dodge Shadow/Neon’s, etc) These cars typically cost about 15K in Canada and tend to fall apart pretty quickly and can become very expensive to maintain thereby further diluting the disposable income of this market segment. The Corvette and Cadillac models do not fall into this category. The vehicles “Paulcleston” is referring such as the Olds and Intrepid do not fall into this category either.

As you mentioned, Ford had a good thing going with the Taurus. It could contend with Accord & Camry standards but resale value sucked so buyers began to migrate to the Jap vehicles. Reliability and resale value is important. Therefore, Ford had no choice. Wonder how long the Fusion would last.

Here's what irks me further. Ford uses high priced celebrities (in Canada) to endorse their vehicles and/or in commercials. This approach is somewhat misguided. It may sell cars in the present but it does not buy "Paulcleston" type of loyalty. A good product and excellent service buys loyalty. Even a sub standard product with a commitment to customer service will buy loyalty. I know this for sure because Xerox survived on this premise for many years. I wish they diverted the dollars spent on celebrities and passed it on to help the consumers who end up with lemons and stand behind their product. I sometimes wonder who their policy makers are because it’s so screwed up. How do you become an ally of such gross mismanagement.

[natrlyst]

Originally Posted by paulcleston

Being one of the Low or middle class citizens, I have purcased five new cars,one new truck and one used pickup since 1987. In 1987 and 91 Oldsmobiles, 1995 and 98 Dodge Intrepids, 2001 Dodge 1500, and a new Ford Car in 2006. A 1999 Toyota Tacoma with 16,000 miles on it in late 2006.. Drove all the cars (except the new ford) over 100,000 miles before selling. We low class folks like to get a new one ever so often because the styles sometimes change. I drove the Dodge pickup for five years and decided to sell it because the 5.9 engine was a little thirsty at 3.00 per gal. In those 19 years I replaced an air conditioning Compressor and evaporator on one Dodge and that was the major expenses. I got from 28to 32 Mpg on the GM and Dodges and am doing the same on the Ford. I Bought a 99 Tacoma to replace the Dodge Pickup. As I stated in an earlier thread, I now have half the truck that I had although it cost me half as much for gas to run. The more I drive it the more I reolize that I really have half a Truck. I am now in the market for a real truck and I may give the new Japanese Trucks a look because they too are offering low to no interest as well as other incentives. And I don't know what all the dealers are going to do with the half auto and half golf cart that their lots are full of that they bragged so much about when they first hit the market as a Hybrid. I also saw on the news that when the new real gas mileage rating comes out it will be half of the original rating. Those rich guys that stood in line to pay over list price may now have a little resale problem.
Some of that stuff you guys smoke up there must be very powerful. Any chance of sharing your source?

NO I will not share my souce with anyone. YOu must content that this choice is very personal and if one is harbour this much animosity toward a car company, or three, he is entitled to his opinion. Please lower your hackles and realise this is the same poking as a chev fan would give a ford fan and leave it at that. Of course nobody wishes job losses for anyone, but you must understand additionally that there is alot of money that goes in to purchasing a vehicle and one wants the best their money can buy, for the master, that purchase is Toyota, if you think he REALLY wants to see the former big three collapse, you are sadly mistaken and obviously do not appreciate the benefits of a good rant.

[Skies20]

Originally Posted by natrlyst

NO I will not share my souce with anyone. YOu must content that this choice is very personal and if one is harbour this much animosity toward a car company, or three, he is entitled to his opinion. Please lower your hackles and realise this is the same poking as a chev fan would give a ford fan and leave it at that. Of course nobody wishes job losses for anyone, but you must understand additionally that there is alot of money that goes in to purchasing a vehicle and one wants the best their money can buy, for the master, that purchase is Toyota, if you think he REALLY wants to see the former big three collapse, you are sadly mistaken and obviously do not appreciate the benefits of a good rant.

That is true. No one here wishes misfortune on anyone else. It is an opinion based forum...and almost everyone here is a die-hard Toyota fan, so that is what we talk about. It's all in good fun!

[steviestyles]

I think most of us are here because at some point we had previous issues with a Big 3 product. I had a 2005 Trailblazer that had lots of fit and finish issues that I didn't care to deal with anymore (in the shop 4 times in 2 months). I took the hit on depreciation to get rid of it. It will be awhile before I buy another GM, Ford, or Chrysler product. The Master is 100% right. A vehicle purchase is the 2nd biggest purchase most people will make. Brand Loyality is out the window for me, now I'm buying the best car for my money....and for me it was a Toyota.