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Old 08-03-2011, 10:24 AM   #1
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Top Plate Spacer Causing Ball Joint to Contact Spring

I recently purchased the Toytec Top Plate Spacer Kit. It includes a 1/2 inch spacer and longer studs.

After installing I found that the ball joint boot is contacting the coil spring when the suspension is completely extended (truck up on jacks). I have tried adjusting the LCA alignment cams but it is still contacting, also I adjusted my Light Racing UCAs in all different directions but the ball joint still contacts the spring.

Any ideas whats going on here?

I am using Bilstein 5100 shocks set at .85 setting and OME 885 springs. I wanted to add the Toytec spacer to get an additional 3/4" lift.

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Old 08-03-2011, 10:28 AM   #2
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Are those OME or Eibach springs? I thought OME's were black.
If they actually are OME 885's, put the 5100's back to 0 and let the springs to the lifting. No need to preload them and use a top plate spacer.
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I thought with ome springs you had to set it at the 0
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i have hit mine a couple times without spacers.
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I recently purchased the Toytec Top Plate Spacer Kit. It includes a 1/2 inch spacer and longer studs.

After installing I found that the ball joint boot is contacting the coil spring when the suspension is completely extended (truck up on jacks). I have tried adjusting the LCA alignment cams but it is still contacting, also I adjusted my Light Racing UCAs in all different directions but the ball joint still contacts the spring.

Any ideas whats going on here?

I am using Bilstein 5100 shocks set at .85 setting and OME 885 springs. I wanted to add the Toytec spacer to get an additional 3/4" lift.

Here are some pictures.




So if those really are 885's (I agree with Mike they look like eibachs to me), you have springs rated for 2.5" of lift, then you are preloading them another 0.85", and then you are putting a 3/4" top plate spacer on them. That's a total of 4.1" of lift. I'm not surprised at the contact with that much lift.
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Those arent 885 springs. Anyway, Remove the Top Plate spacer, and you wont have any contact.
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I thought the top plate spacer was suppose to be installed on the driver side..........
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Our thoughts exactly. If that is an 885 that you repainted silver, you are running way too much lift up front! What's your center hub to fender measurement up front? If your over 23-23.25", you are over 3"
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So if those really are 885's (I agree with Mike they look like eibachs to me), you have springs rated for 2.5" of lift, then you are preloading them another 0.85", and then you are putting a 3/4" top plate spacer on them. That's a total of 4.1" of lift. I'm not surprised at the contact with that much lift.
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is your uca on the wrong side? looks odd to me.


edit: nah, maybe its not
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Thanks for all the tips.

They are 885 springs painted silver. They are old 885 springs that I bought used. They were giving me about 2 inches of lift with the 5100 shocks set at zero.

I tried adding the top plate spacer with the shocks set at zero and the ball joint still hit the springs. So now I have just removed the spacer and set the 5100s at .85". Maybe I'll just try to sell the spacers.

I'll have to measure my lift again. Thanks for all the help.
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I tried adding the top plate spacer with the shocks set at zero and the ball joint still hit the springs.
The more I think about it I guess that those 1/2 inch thick top plate spacers must not work with any shocks longer than stock.

The only thing limiting the suspension from going down (when the vehicle is on jacks) is the extended length of the shock. So when you add a top plate spacer (above the shock) it extends the shock length and allows the suspension to extend 1/2 inch further. I am sure these top plate spacers work fine with normal length shocks, but maybe because the 5100s are a little longer than stock, the suspension cannot be allowed to extend that far down.

What's your opinion?
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The more I think about it I guess that those 1/2 inch thick top plate spacers must not work with any shocks longer than stock.

The only thing limiting the suspension from going down (when the vehicle is on jacks) is the extended length of the shock. So when you add a top plate spacer (above the shock) it extends the shock length and allows the suspension to extend 1/2 inch further. I am sure these top plate spacers work fine with normal length shocks, but maybe because the 5100s are a little longer than stock, the suspension cannot be allowed to extend that far down.

What's your opinion?
The 5100s are the same length as stock at full droop.
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Wouldn't a 1/2" top spacer add 1" of lift ?
It would if it is 1/2" thick.

It's hard to tell when folks say a 1/2" spacer if they mean one that is advertised to give 1/2" lift, or one that is 1/2" thick.
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Wouldn't a 1/2" top spacer add 1" of lift ?
At the wheel, Yes.
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It would if it is 1/2" thick.

It's hard to tell when folks say a 1/2" spacer if they mean one that is advertised to give 1/2" lift, or one that is 1/2" thick.
From the pic , it looks to be 1/2" or the 10 mm
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It's hard to tell when folks say a 1/2" spacer if they mean one that is advertised to give 1/2" lift, or one that is 1/2" thick.

I agree. The actual spacer is 1/2 inch thick. The Toytec website says it provides 3/4 inch lift.
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I agree. The actual spacer is 1/2 inch thick. The Toytec website says it provides 3/4 inch lift.
It gives 1".
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