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Bloodhound 07-28-2011 06:29 PM

Got a question...
 
This is hopefully not a noobish question, however it is one a noob might ask:

What is the difference between this kit:
http://www.toyteclifts.com/index.php...mart&Itemid=72

and this one:

http://www.toyteclifts.com/index.php...mart&Itemid=72

?????

I am mainly looking to raise the truck and level it out after my rear TSB gets completed and between the 2 kits the nomenclature has me a hair confused. In the second kit, it includes spanner adjustment, is that for leveling, pre-load, or overall ride height adjusting? Which kit would be best served to help eliminate the "Taco Lean" and level the trucks stance out without requiring UCA's or dropping the differential? The truck is mainly a commuter and doesn't get seriously off-roaded, only light trailing and running back and forth across fields (which it does fine with those duties stock, just want some clearance).

ColtsTRD 07-28-2011 06:33 PM

I think its the spring rate...one uses eibachs and the other uses toytec:notsure:

bolson 07-28-2011 06:34 PM

edit: NM

Yoytoda 07-28-2011 06:35 PM

one is an adjustable coilover kit. it uses threads to adjust preload.

the other is billies assembled with eibach spring. not fully adjustable

Bloodhound 07-28-2011 06:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yoytoda (Post 3502875)
one is an adjustable coilover kit. it uses threads to adjust preload.

the other is billies assembled with eibach spring. not fully adjustable


So, the billies is only "somewhat" adjustable, meaning (IIRC) 0-.85, 1.75, and 2.5 and the other is fully adjustable and able to compensate for the lean without using the drivers side spacer? Am I on the right track, or missing something?

ColtsTRD 07-28-2011 06:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yoytoda (Post 3502875)
one is an adjustable coilover kit. it uses threads to adjust preload.

the other is billies assembled with eibach spring. not fully adjustable

your right...I didn't click on the larger pic...didn't see that the Bachs weren't the adjutable versions...

ColtsTRD 07-28-2011 06:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bloodhound (Post 3502883)
So, the billies is only "somewhat" adjustable, meaning (IIRC) 0-.85, 1.75, and 2.5 and the other is fully adjustable and able to compensate for the lean without using the drivers side spacer? Am I on the right track, or missing something?

the silver ones dont have adjustable coils overs...the red do...the silvers are only adjustable uo to .85 (billys)

Bloodhound 07-28-2011 06:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ColtsTRD (Post 3502891)
your right...I didn't click on the larger pic...didn't see that the Bachs weren't the adjutable versions...

OK, so am I under the understanding that the Billies in the first kit are not ride height adjustable? I was under the impression all 5100's were...

ColtsTRD 07-28-2011 06:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bloodhound (Post 3502901)
OK, so am I under the understanding that the Billies in the first kit are not ride height adjustable? I was under the impression all 5100's were...

they are but only up to .85 because their paired up with Eibachs...if those were OEM shocks than they could be up to 2.5

Bloodhound 07-28-2011 06:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ColtsTRD (Post 3502898)
the silver ones dont have adjustable coils overs...the red do...the silvers are only adjustable uo to .85 (billys)

(scratches head) Strange, I thought all the Bilstein 5100's were adjustable to several ride heights...of course, I am most likely mistaken on this matter.

ColtsTRD 07-28-2011 06:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bloodhound (Post 3502922)
(scratches head) Strange, I thought all the Bilstein 5100's were adjustable to several ride heights...of course, I am most likely mistaken on this matter.

:facepalm: :laugh:


They ARE from 0 -2.5...but with that particular set up only to .85 because of the spring...now if you were using stock shocks you could set them at 0, .85, 1.75 and 2.5

Bloodhound 07-28-2011 06:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ColtsTRD (Post 3502910)
they are but only up to .85 because their paired up with Eibachs...if those were OEM shocks than they could be up to 2.5


So, the springs are the limiting factor on the first set-up? I'm still confused by this:
Quote:

Preset at 3" Lift Adjustable with C Clip for additional weight.
as stated in the first kit (heads spinning.....reaches for beer)

Bloodhound 07-28-2011 06:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ColtsTRD (Post 3502939)
:facepalm: :laugh:


They ARE from 0 -2.5...but with that particular set up only to .85 because of the spring...now if you were using stock shocks you could set them at 0, .85, 1.75 and 2.5


Shocks or springs?:crapstorm:

Yoytoda 07-28-2011 06:54 PM

the red ones are set at 0 and has a shaft with threads and are infinitely adjustable 0-3". the shocks are themselves have 4 settings but with the threads the contraption does the adjusting not the snap ring.

the other has the 4 groves. it is set on the first groove (.85") and (1.6")lift coils

Yoytoda 07-28-2011 06:55 PM

both shocks are the exact same.

Yoytoda 07-28-2011 06:56 PM

the one uses a devise that goes on the outside of the shock for lift. the other uses the shock and a spring for lift

Yoytoda 07-28-2011 06:57 PM

http://www.toyteclifts.com/index.php...mart&Itemid=72


this is the one kit that goes on billies for adjustable lift

SKULLY 07-28-2011 07:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bloodhound (Post 3502949)
Shocks or springs?:crapstorm:

I think he meant "spring". If you run Eibach or 885 coils than you can only set the "C" clip on the 5100 @ 0 or .85 ......but if you use the stock spring you can set it up to 2.5.......basically just more pre-load on the spring....not as great of a ride as the coil is doing more work than the shock. (or at least that's the way I understand it.)

Bloodhound 07-28-2011 07:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yoytoda (Post 3502963)
the red ones are set at 0 and has a shaft with threads and are infinitely adjustable 0-3". the shocks are themselves have 4 settings but with the threads the contraption does the adjusting not the snap ring.

the other has the 4 groves. it is set on the first groove (.85") and (1.6")lift coils

Could moving the snap ring on the set without the spanner set-up be moved if I used a spring compressor to adjust the height? Or does the Eibach springs limit the ability to adjust? I have read not to use aftermarket springs on the 5100's but I thought I had seen them used with OME 884's, 885's and 886's. With the heavier spring rate will that cause the snap ring to fail?

Bloodhound 07-28-2011 07:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yoytoda (Post 3502982)
http://www.toyteclifts.com/index.php...mart&Itemid=72


this is the one kit that goes on billies for adjustable lift

Quote:

Originally Posted by SKULLY (Post 3503006)
I think he meant "spring". If you run Eibach or 885 coils than you can only set the "C" clip on the 5100 @ 0 or .85 ......but if you use the stock spring you can set it up to 2.5.......basically just more pre-load on the spring....not as great of a ride as the coil is doing more work than the shock. (or at least that's the way I understand it.)

Alright guys, thank you, now I have my head around what's what here. Rep given to all for helping me out here.


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