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Old 08-08-2012, 10:07 AM   #21
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That all depends on what is exactly wrong with it. It runs in open loop but "dies" when it hits closed loop.
This. This is exactly what we were told at Toyota. You just worded it better than me.
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Did a boost pipe come off?

Where would this be located?
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Yes, it makes sense. They come with fuel management controllers. Just need to know which one and perhaps we can find the software for it.
Also, where can we determine this so I can post?
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Old 08-08-2012, 10:10 AM   #24
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Idea! Are the bypass valve hoses still connected? If it is venting to the atmosphere that could cause issues.

Ricers the buy the noisy ones usually end up looking like a diesel because all that metered air gets dumped while the ECU still thinks ot is going into the engine.
We will check this and post more info asap.
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Also, where can we determine this so I can post?
It is usually wired directly into the main harness.

Look on the left side of this pic. You can see the black URD box. It would look something like that. Granted it may not be an actual URD product. It could be APR-X1 (I think) or something else. Check the ECU location also.



If you can upload some pics, that might help us also.
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It is usually wired directly into the main harness.

Look on the left side of this pic. You can see the black URD box. It would look something like that. Granted it may not be an actual URD product. It could be APR-X1 (I think) or something else. Check the ECU location also.



If you can upload some pics, that might help us also.
I will try and do so as soon as I can get the truck to me.
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call the urd tech support line and ask for gadget, from what i have read it seems like the problems are going to point to the APR X-1 engine management system. what will be needed will probly be a firmware update
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(snip) The customer had it towed it because there was black smoke coming from the tailpipe and absolutely no power at all!! (snip)
Okay, I'll take a wild guess. Of course, first check the fuel system (leaks, clogs, bad fuel, etc). However, the O2 sensor is usually the #1 cause of these symptoms. Try replacing that, reseting the computer, and driving for a few miles to see if the smoke stops and power returns. If that doesn't work, try the MAP sensor, followed by the coolant temp sensor. Each of these impact how the computer manages the fuel mix.
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Okay, I'll take a wild guess. Of course, first check the fuel system (leaks, clogs, bad fuel, etc). However, the O2 sensor is usually the #1 cause of these symptoms. Try replacing that, reseting the computer, and driving for a few miles to see if the smoke stops and power returns. If that doesn't work, try the MAP sensor, followed by the coolant temp sensor. Each of these impact how the computer manages the fuel mix.
Did you even read the whole thread?
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Thank You for this. Your community is so helpful! We will check this and let everyone know. I have a guy that is familiar with these at our local Toyota store that will check and advise after work tonight and see what we can find.
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Thank You for this. Your community is so helpful! We will check this and let everyone know. I have a guy that is familiar with these at our local Toyota store that will check and advise after work tonight and see what we can find.
The large pipes after the blower are the boost/charge pipes. The smaller pipe with the valve is the bypass for when boost is not needed.

I don't know for sure but I believe the MAF is before the blower on this kit. If it is then any pressurized air leaking past the blower would cause it to run rich. It could also be a simple failure of the ECU which he would have to buy a new one since APR no longer makes the X1.
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Did you even read the whole thread?
No. I responded to the OP, not anyone else in the thread. If my ideas agree or conflict with anything else said, doesn't change those ideas. The OP can take or leave my comments as he alone so desires.
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No. I responded to the OP, not anyone else in the thread. If my ideas agree or conflict with anything else said, doesn't change those ideas. The OP can take or leave my comments as he alone so desires.
It shows because everything you suggested has either been done or doesn't pertain to the issue at hand.
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OK, The guy at the Toyota Dealer doesnt apperantly know how to talk to the system. Here is the pic of the x-runners setup. We checked the things mentioned above, and everything seems tight, booster pipes, etc. Hoping somebody here can tell us what we got.
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You need to find someone who can work with that URD tuner
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Right. Where do we find this person?
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Right. Where do we find this person?
There is the million dollar question.... Any performance shops in town?
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OK, The guy at the Toyota Dealer doesnt apperantly know how to talk to the system. Here is the pic of the x-runners setup. We checked the things mentioned above, and everything seems tight, booster pipes, etc. Hoping somebody here can tell us what we got.
Has Gadget gotten back to you?
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Right. Where do we find this person?
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I know you said you tried contacting them but, if I were you, I'd keep at it. They are the experts when it comes to your setup and would either be able to pass you on to someone local who knows the system or tell you how to deal with it (probably send you the software to deal with the system).
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