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Old 07-31-2012, 02:28 PM   #21
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He wasn't talking about Sua with a shackle flip, he was talking about SOA with shackle flip.
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He wasn't talking about Sua with a shackle flip, he was talking about SOA with shackle flip.
Gotcha, sorry, I got a little excited I guess just the greasable option would be nice to force out all the dust and dirt. The shackle flip gives you the ability to use longer shackles so you can have increased flex. At stock length, SOA and stock suspension, I'm not sure it'd be worth the trouble for the shackle flip in my opinion.
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These don't require a shackle fip, correct? I like the idea of a greasable shackle, might have to look into this as long as the flip kit isn't required.

You can just buy bushings and greaseable bolts and save some $$$.

When I saw these a year ago I looked into them. A flip kit is not required. While this is stronger then a grease bolt, I see no need to replace the whole hanger because the one model he offers is same as stock + if your looking to beef up your shackles chances are you will be changing your geometry anyway.
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Gotcha, sorry, I got a little excited I guess just the greasable option would be nice to force out all the dust and dirt. The shackle flip gives you the ability to use longer shackles so you can have increased flex. At stock length, SOA and stock suspension, I'm not sure it'd be worth the trouble for the shackle flip in my opinion.
Ask the NE guys from the RC meet we were just on...
With stock 3 leaf pack and a wheelers 3leaf AAL attached to the ATO Shackle Flip with new RCD Billies I gained about 4" of down travel...
The only downfall is due to the longer shocks i had to temporarily limit the uptravel as to not bottom out the new shocks.
I have to get upper shock mounts fabbed like Patrick in order to complete the mod - or do a complete shock relo so they look like this = / \

Flexes like a champ now though.
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You can just buy bushings and greaseable bolts and save some $$$.

When I saw these a year ago I looked into them. A flip kit is not required. While this is stronger then a grease bolt, I see no need to replace the whole hanger because the one model he offers is same as stock + if your looking to beef up your shackles chances are you will be changing your geometry anyway.
Beg to differ buddy!
The dimensions are the same but it is serviceable and a MUCH beefier product than the stock shackle.
Gotta stop by the g hetto at some point so you can see it.
Maybe do lunch.
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Ask the NE guys from the RC meet we were just on...
With stock 3 leaf pack and a wheelers 3leaf AAL attached to the ATO Shackle Flip with new RCD Billies I gained about 4" of down travel...
The only downfall is due to the longer shocks i had to temporarily limit the uptravel as to not bottom out the new shocks.
I have to get upper shock mounts fabbed like Patrick in order to complete the mod - or do a complete shock relo so they look like this = / \

Flexes like a champ now though.
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Reason I ask if because of the additional flex and IIRC I read in another thread that shackle flip would not.benefit on a LT SUA on the Tacoma. Curious why is all

Disregard sorry for the sidetrack, ill ask in the LT bs thread!
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Beg to differ buddy!
The dimensions are the same but it is serviceable and a MUCH beefier product than the stock shackle.
Gotta stop by the g hetto at some point so you can see it.
Maybe do lunch.

They are the same exact geometry as stock. It's beefier and so are the bolts, but I haven't seen anyone break a stock one yet unless they literally bashed it into a rock backing up and that guy was a tool anyway.

For the majority of people if he isn't offering custom lengths it's not really something they need. Most the guys I know with crawlers make their own shackles out of 3/8" flat bar and that's exactly what Ill be doing 'someday' when I get my flip kit.

You can't dial that shackle length in like with flat bar or boomerang brackets. With a bolt on flip kit it would make it impossible to dial in your angles for the weight of your truck and leaf pack so you could end up with bad angles that will kill your pack and could make the ride bad.

IMO if your going as far to redesign the shackle itself and make it so beefy why not offer custom lengths? Personally I would love to run one after I dialed in where I wanted to be with flat stock. I would love to give him center to center dimensions from the bushings and have one made if ti was in the budget and time constraints.

The main use I see for these as they are being offered now is OE replacement for the guys who want to stop their squeaking asses.

Ill be looking to take a nice lunch when things die down here. Summer is bat shit crazy....ands thats why I need to stop typing so I can get my shit done and go home
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They are the same exact geometry as stock. It's beefier and so are the bolts, but I haven't seen anyone break a stock one yet unless they literally bashed it into a rock backing up and that guy was a tool anyway.

For the majority of people if he isn't offering custom lengths it's not really something they need. Most the guys I know with crawlers make their own shackles out of 3/8" flat bar and that's exactly what Ill be doing 'someday' when I get my flip kit.

You can't dial that shackle length in like with flat bar or boomerang brackets. With a bolt on flip kit it would make it impossible to dial in your angles for the weight of your truck and leaf pack so you could end up with bad angles that will kill your pack and could make the ride bad.

IMO if your going as far to redesign the shackle itself and make it so beefy why not offer custom lengths? Personally I would love to run one after I dialed in where I wanted to be with flat stock. I would love to give him center to center dimensions from the bushings and have one made if ti was in the budget and time constraints.

The main use I see for these as they are being offered now is OE replacement for the guys who want to stop their squeaking asses.

Ill be looking to take a nice lunch when things die down here. Summer is bat shit crazy....ands thats why I need to stop typing so I can get my shit done and go home
Get back to work!
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This would work with a shackle flip too im sure
It will work fine with ATO, but you have no capabilities to fine tune it. It won't work with the other guy who made the shackle flip kit wider then a OE Toyota shackle for some reason I still can't seem to figure out

This one is wider then stock and not strait with leaves http://www.tacomaworld.com/forum/2nd...ml#post4956669
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There is a right way and a wrong way. When posting in a forum that has 85,000 members it's always nice for people to know what really is going on before they spend money on stuff. People could be reading this 7 years from now for research. I know when I research I like knowing the truth vs getting a sugar coated version of it. Sorry, but I don't pull punches and keep my mouth shut so people like me. I'd rather be hated and have helped people then conform and keep my trap shut.
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There is a right way and a wrong way. When posting in a forum that has 85,000 members it's always nice for people to know what really is going on before they spend money on stuff. People could be reading this 7 years from now for research. I know when I research I like knowing the truth vs getting a sugar coated version of it. Sorry, but I don't pull punches and keep my mouth shut so people like me. I'd rather be hated and have helped people then conform and keep my trap shut.

Very true. However you have not proved in any way that the way the other fabricator built his design wrong. It does not conform to your logic but your logic is not the only answer to all applications. Nothing to date states that the other design WILL compromise the trucks performance or other aftermarket parts life span.

You and I have gone down this road before in discussion and as I stated in the past the moment you change the tire size, lift the truck, modify the engine and so on you instantaneously change the manufacturer's projected outcome or projected lifespan for these trucks. Good or bad.

So far the design has worked perfect for my application and to date nothing adverse has been observed.
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mine look a bit different than yours on the welded edges???

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It will work fine with ATO, but you have no capabilities to fine tune it. It won't work with the other guy who made the shackle flip kit wider then a OE Toyota shackle for some reason I still can't seem to figure out
I'm not gonna get into that multi-adjustable design. It has its advantages (mostly adjustability), and its disadvantages (have been covered).

The ATO method is tunable to an extent, but it'd be a lot more work for the end user. You'd have to alter many variables at once to ensure your shackle mount point was correct. That said, it also doesn't offer the drawbacks of bushing and leaf spring misalignment and the potential wear and tear involved there.

We're all gonna approach this item a little differently. Some people may be ok with a bracket misaligned with the frame and are willing to make that sacrifice for the adjustability. I personally wasn't concerned with adjustability and wanted all the angles correct and the item durable and easily serviceable.

People can select their preference. I liked what I heard from Mike in his feedback though. Defined is probably the only other fab house I've seen that puts the attention to detail into their designs that ATO does. I've always been impressed with their work.
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mine look a bit different than yours on the welded edges???

Homer's set's welds look a little undercut, yours look stronger. Not sure why the welds zig zag back and forth though.

They are TIG welded though so that's a plus.
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mike said he tried something different than he usually does with my set, but they were the only ones i had seen so i didnt know what he did?
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