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Old 02-16-2012, 11:12 PM   #1
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dealer says no alignment necessary?

Part of the deal for trading up to my new tacoma was a set of wheels and tires. Since I know some of the guys pretty well I asked, since they're putting new wheels and tires on and the tires sensor anyways if they could save me some time and slap in my billys and I would pay labor for that only but not the new wheels/tires and alignment since they have to do that for free anyways. One guy there claims they don't do an alignment on tire/wheel swap so I should pay that too?

Now is this guy legit or his he just claiming they don't usually do an alignment to get me to pay more?

More info: They're putting in Mickey Thompson Classic Locks and Pro Comp xtreme all terrains in 265/75r16 (1in. up from stock) shouldn't they align this since its new size, BS, os, and everything or is it too small of a change and he's telling me the truth?

Just wanna go in educated, thanks.

P.s. I know dealership labor usually = rape, but what's a range for reasonable pricing to put in four 5100s and a 1.5" 3 leaf progressive AAL because I don't mind doing it myself, I just figured for convenience sake, if they have the tools and the truck jacked up with the wheels off already, why not. . .

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Old 02-16-2012, 11:13 PM   #2
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He's saying they don't usually do an alignment after installing a lift (assuming you have 5100s set on something otehr than stock)?

Wrong. Lift changes the geometry of the suspension, an alignment is recommended.
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It takes less than 20 minutes to align these trucks as long as camber/caster isin't out. No rear adjustment obviously. Just make them do it, tell them to quit being lazy. Not like it will hurt
anything.

Alignment isin't free I'm sure, either do it there or just go to Firestone and buy a lifetime alignment for like $149 (align it anytime you want)

Edit: If the truck is being lifted at all with suspension components, then HELL YES, you need an alignment afterwards.
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just got mine on and had to pay for $70 for alignment
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One guy there claims they don't do an alignment on tire/wheel swap so I should pay that too?

Correct, if all they are supposed to do is a wheel/tire swap, no alignment is needed.. So if you are asking them to do extra work (that you are paying labor for) which will require an alignment, then the shop should not have to pay for the alignment.

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Swapping wheels/tires does not require alignment.

Adding a lift does. But, if you're throwing 5100's on @ zero setting, none req'd.

IMO, if you have the means to install it yourself, do it. Then spend the money for an alignment.
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Correct, if all they are supposed to do is a wheel/tire swap, no alignment is needed.. So if you are asking them to do extra work (that you are paying labor for) which will require an alignment, then the shop should not have to pay for the alignment.

Correct?
This is pretty much all I wanted to clarify, thanks. I didn't wanna be a prick and tell them to give me something free when they shouldn't, but at the same time didn't want to get charged for something they agreed to do anyways. . . Now I know that paying for the alignment is my share. . .

To clarify just in case some missed it or I want quite clear in the OP.
Labor for putting in new tires/wheels was already negotiated as free, I was trying to take advantage of the fact that my truck is already jacked up and de-wheeled to get my suspension thrown in cheaper.

I was supposed to drive away the day of purchase with the new tires/wheels but they made a mistake on tire size that didn't fit my new rims so I'm kind of capitalizing on the fact that it was their mistake that inconvenienced me (driving state to state)
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This is pretty much all I wanted to clarify, thanks. I didn't wanna be a prick and tell them to give me something free when they shouldn't, but at the same time didn't want to get charged for something they agreed to do anyways. . . Now I know that paying for the alignment is my share. . .

To clarify just in case some missed it or I want quite clear in the OP.
Labor for putting in new tires/wheels was already negotiated as free, I was trying to take advantage of the fact that my truck is already jacked up and de-wheeled to get my suspension thrown in cheaper.

I was supposed to drive away the day of purchase with the new tires/wheels but they made a mistake on tire size that didn't fit my new rims so I'm kind of capitalizing on the fact that it was their mistake that inconvenienced me (driving state to state)
I'd do the same thing if she was in the shop already on a hoist! But as Zac808 said ... if new billies are set at zero, no allignment req'd. Personally ... I would just do it myself, that way the stealership can't charge you for extra shit they pull out of their magic hats,

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Swapping wheels/tires does not require alignment.

Adding a lift does. But, if you're throwing 5100's on @ zero setting, none req'd.

IMO, if you have the means to install it yourself, do it. Then spend the money for an alignment.
Your comment on not requiring an alignment if the 5100's are set at 0 depends on how they are installed. If they loosen any of the control arm bolts, then you should get it aligned afterwards.

Otherwise, agreed, swapping wheels are tires on a truck that's already properly aligned would not require an alignment.
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Your comment on not requiring an alignment if the 5100's are set at 0 depends on how they are installed. If they loosen any of the control arm bolts, then you should get it aligned afterwards.

Otherwise, agreed, swapping wheels are tires on a truck that's already properly aligned would not require an alignment.
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Thanks fellas
My dealership isn't all that bad and we have some history but its nice to go in informed anyways
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