New guy from WA

Welcome from Snohomish go to the NW meet thread for trail runs and BS'ing

 

Awesome I apprecaite the advice! Yeah the budget is definitely the biggest factor here sadly. Just have to keep pricing and doing my research. Keeping an eye on Fox right now but they are pretty pricey.
Thanks again.

Oh cool ill have to go check that out.

 

Fox and King are progressive valve timing where as Icon is digressive valve timing. Those three coil overs are much different than and OME

 

Haha im pretty new to the whole truck world so dont fully understand all of that. Care to explain or maybe point me in the right direction i can read up on all of it?

 

Looks like I have a twin. Welcome from Bothell!

 

Looks like another Storm trooper build in progress.

 

All about that Super white!
Thank you!

 

Progesive valve timing is as you drive faster the stiffer the shock gets (soft at slow speeds, stiffer at high speeds) where digressive is just the opposite. So like me I do a lot of fire roads/forest service roads and trails so I went for a progressive shock since I do low speeds. People who commute mainly or go fast off road go for digressive since it soaks up the bumps better at high speeds.

I narrowed it down to wanting progressive timing, so King or Fox. I went with Kings because they seem to hold up better over time, unless you get the clear coat option ($100 extra) then the fox's I have seen rust and don't hold up well, where as kings do. Kings are the most expensive ONLY because you have to get a reservoir with them, if you get a resi with either Fox or Icon then they are pretty much the same price, so don't freak out when you see the price.

OME is completely different because Icon, King, and Fox can all be "mid travel" coil overs. Mid travel give you more wheel travel than any normal shock but not as much as long travel (what the desert race trucks have). OME is good if you want a solid cheaper lift, if you don't off road much then its great. Icon, King, and fox all are available in a 2.5" shock body allowing more oil to circulate through keeping the shock cooler and is stronger, where as OME uses a normal strut/shock with the OME coil, you can only use 2.0" shocks with OME. Hope this helps

 

That actually helps a lot. From my understanding of that(please tell me if im wrong) digressive would be better for me since id be doing high speed off roading and want it to absorb the bumps better at high speeds. But at low speeds it will be stiffer because it wont be building enough pressure to fully absorb the bumps. Id also be commuting a lot from Puyallup to Fort Lewis and taking the Forest Roads out to Rainier for hiking. Mid-Travel sounds perfect for all of that.

Now with the the Icon's 2.5" i would obviously need a new UCA because stock wouldnt be able to allow enough adjustment or handle the change? I currently have a 4" lift on the truck but the guy that did it before me didnt tell me much about it and me being new to all this didnt think to really ask much about it(i know, stupid).

It definitely sucks looking at the price of these but its worth it in the end for quality parts that wont break down while out on the trail. Have to go look into Icon now.

Thanks!

 

Honestly even though they say progessive gets stiffer as you go, my kings soak up every bump/pot hole on the freeway and off road. Unless you are doing 45+mph off road you don't need digressive.

Do you have any pictures of the lift/underside of your truck? If its 4" of lift then most likely its a drop bracket lift which aren't very good.. Yes you can go back to a lift like I have but with a drop bracket you have to cut the crossmember and it is expensive and a lot of work, you'd need to find a new one and have it welded in. The only thing you gain with a drop bracket lift is height to go to a bigger tire, which gives you more ground clearance. With my lift its purely coil over so I don't have anything that hangs down, I gain height for bigger tires and ground clearance from the coil, if that makes sense.

Yes you will need new UCA's most likely. Do you have stock ones right now? Usually anything over 2" of lift you need new ones EXCEPT with drop bracket lifts. Best way to explain drop bracket lift is if you imagine your suspension angles as stock, a drop bracket is a bracket that bolts on under your front IFS suspension and raises it up how ever high the bracket is.

This is a drop bracket, you can see where it says RCD, that is the bracket.

 

I actually would be doing about 40-50, if not more on straighter parts of a trail, so would you still suggest progressive for that since they would be overall better for everything?

Right now im waiting for my wife to send me some pictures of it since im currently deployed and dont have any. And the computer im using for some reason wont display the photo you posted about the drop bracket.

Well i hope its not a 4" lift then! but i dont have anyway to tell right now til i can see under it and post the pictures on here. And yes that makes sense, currently i have 33's. With the drop bracket they add height for bigger tires and the only ground clearance you gain is from the bigger tires, but with coils you gain ground clearance and height for bigger tires which also adds to the ground clearance. If im explaining it right.

I honestly dont know if they are stock or not. Ill find out hopefully soon.

For the rear the lift is mainly leaf springs and the longer shocks?
Man i am a total NEWB! stuff is confusing at times.

 

Welcome from Spokane.

 

Hey, thanks!

 

Welcome to TW!

 

Thanks!

 

Coil overs that are made for drop bracket lifts are different than say my coil overs, no idea how but they are. And usually they cost more for some reason, up to $200 i've seen.

If she could send you just a front shot of your truck showing from the ground to the grill, then I could tell if its a drop bracket or not. I know that a 6 inch drop bracket with 33's has less ground clearance than a 3 inch lift with 35's.

As for a rear lift you could do blocks if you wanted, its the cheapest but you'll also get a ton of axle wrap and wear out your springs sooner. I would suggest Dakar springs and if you want the height get the AAL for them. Or you could go with the all pro expo leafs but I have heard they don't last as long and they are more expensive. You could always do a custom set though, and yes longer shocks.

 

Okay i got some pictures! Looks like Bilsteins to me. Im thinking its a 3" lift then and not 4".
I was looking at the dakar springs and the deaver spring set. the only thing i dont know about that is how to calculate how much lift its going to add to the rear.

 

Looks like its just a spacer lift

 

From the pics she sent you those are the stock bilstein shocks but your CV angles aren't straight meaning there is some type of lift. Those coils are most likely stock then. Can't tell for sure about a drop bracket but doesn't look like it, so you will be able to swap in some new coil overs and not have to weld anything.

 

Can't see a spacer in there though but easily could be, forgot about that one. If you see a big spacer on top of the coil/strut then its a spacer lift

As for the rear its a simple AAL, your leafs look to have some arc still which is good but you'll want to swap them out in the future.