Upgrading to TRD PRO Suspension kit?

I can tell you the 6112 and the pro shock is essentially the same.

They will be the same diameter. The spring may be different, it is supplied by eibach. I dont know where the pro spring came from. I don't know if the travel is extended or not. Can find out.

The Toyota engineers decided the ride and valving for the pro. For the 6112, BILSTEIN chose the testers that used the shocks and made suggestions. So knowing the people involved I think the 6112 will be tuned to perform when driving hard. The pro kit needs to appeal to american and jap executives.

The 6112 have more spring perch settings also.

5160 are the match but very hard to find and I think newer ones may have different valving since they were used in the testing of the 6112 front and some people liked a little different feel than the first valving they tried with tundra.

You choose which is best for you...

 

Please show me how and i quote "bilstines of any model can be rebuilt" on say the OEM TRD bilstines / 5100's / 6112 (aka pro / baja) shocks...

YOU CANT, the end user simply can not rebuild them and one of the main reasons is BECAUSE they are a gas emulsion style of shock (aka gas and oil in same chamber and not separate)

The 5160's and 7100's might be rebuildable due to the fact they have a remote resi and likely have a nitrogen bladder or piston separated chamber. I think you need to do a little research on how shocks are made and rebuilt to further understand your incorrect claims.

The fact of the matter is.... you spend 1500 dollars on the baja / pro kit... and 30-60k mi down the road, there is no option to rebuild them... you throw them out and buy something else... likely a proper setup from fox / icon / king that you can rebuild in your garage for the cost of a seal or two, some shock oil and 10 bucks at the local motorcycle shop for a nitrogen charge.

Also as a matter of fact i have driven a baja.... while its suspension was nice... it was not 1500 dollars nice.

The fact is you can spend 500-800 bucks more than the baja kit up front, and have a MUCH better setup that can stick with the truck for the LIFE of the truck.

Hell.. you can get an icon stage 1 setup, thats fully rebuildable AND BETTER for like 200 bucks more than the baja kit....

 

How would you know "you're putting aftermarket suspension on your truck, you can do much better"?

Have you driven a Baja/Pro? No, you have not. So how did you decide something other is "much better"? This is what makes me laugh at people proclaiming some other suspension is "much better" since they haven't even driven a Baja/Pro.

The numbers don't lie - there's only maybe 10,000 people that have driven a Baja/Pro Tacoma, but there's a ton of uninformed ignorant people that proclaim it is crap compared to aftermarket suspension systems.

The people that have driven the TRD Baja/Pro suspension love it.

 

Icon stage 1

1600 bucks, PROPER 2.5in coil overs in the front... none of this gas emulsion strut crap thats found on the pro / baja kit. and 2.0 rear shocks... all rebuild able.

http://iconvehicledynamics.com/shop...-toyota-tacoma-suspension-system-stage-1.html

 

I like the Tundra for the 10.5 inch stock ground clearance. It's a nice smooth truck with excellent offroad capability, a real rear padded bench seat in the Access Cab for passengers.

I'm also one of the 10,000 that owned a Baja suspension on a Tacoma and maybe one of 5,000 that drove it offroad extensively. I know what I'm talking about. The Baja/Pro with the 60mm front shocks Eibach coils and 5160 rear res shocks is a nice suspension setup.

 

You have to get your facts straight before you bleat. C'mon man, Bilstein doesn't produce gas emulsion shocks at all, anywhere in the world.

 

Lol you are right. It doesn't make much sense at all.

As far as Icon goes, they DO valve their stuff specific to the Tacoma, however, the problem comes in later when you start modifying the rest of the truck and adding weight. A DIY revalve becomes VERY difficult to do for your average joe blow with medium knowledge due to Icons lack of information on valving spec sheets. Sure a dude with a micrometer could get a lot further, but how many people here are going to know how to use that and attempt to revalve their Icons at the same time. Its a somewhat intimidating task to those who don't know. Fox/King/SAW all have spec sheets for their stuff and make their shock assemblies very easy to rehaul (IMO) SAW being the simplest out of the three (to disassemble and assemble, no special tools are required).

Now when you talk about the Tundra being excellent offroading, what kind of offroading are we talking about here? Because I'm pretty sure the Tacoma is a lot more capable offroad then the Tundra due to its lighter weight and shorter wheelbase.

 

How would you know if anything is better than the TRD Baja/Pro? You haven't driven one, so how would you know?

 

Well, this thread has gone down the shitter. Not one of the lady's questions were answered.

I can hear the flush from all the way up here in Canada, where we don't have Baja (that I know of) or TRD Pro Editions and the noted suspension accessories.

... so I bought Icons; 2.5 ET CO's & 2.0 Rear Resi's

Do they run better, last longer, cost more or less, or are more servicable than the aforementioned Toyota parts? HTF should I know? ... or care for that matter? Why should anybody care?

The lady wants lift measurements. She apparently wants to go with Toyota parts. Does anyone have any info for her?

 

1.75 is a leveling lift. It matches the height of the rear leaf pack. The rear shocks are not overkill for the road at all. They provide better cooling properties for the rear shocks by providing additional volume for oil and allows for a shorter shock body by relocating an IFP to the reservoir. The actual ride itself is unaffected by it if the valving remains the same as previous to what Toyota set their tune to for proper street manners and better offroading manners. The only time having a remote reservoir which COULD affect ride actually affects the ride, is when the reservoirs are outfitted with compression adjusters which allow for adjustments to the compression valving without having to tear apart the shock assemblies.

 

I've taken the '05 Tundra on the same roads as the '98 Tacoma and the 2012 Tacoma. The wheelbase on the Tundra is 128 inches (Access Cab version), pretty much the same front and rear porch angles because the Tundra has 10.5 inches stock ground clearance. Same 128 inch wheelbase as the the 2012 Tacoma Access Cab.

The Gen1 Tundra is a better truck, smoother, more power, only 218 inches long in the Access Cab version but a real padded rear bench seat, just a better truck overall, leather, power seats, heated mirrors, the list goes on and on. 400 lbs more curb weight that's a negative.

Hopefully the 2016 Tacoma can match or come close to matching the GenI Tundra, a 15 year old design. Stock 10.5 inch ground clearance would be a good start.

 

this turned to shit

 

this turned to shit

 

so bad, my browser double posted

 

Wow this escalated quickly.

 

Gen 1 Tundra was the equally comparitive model to the current body and gen Tacoma. The new Tundra however, not a good candidate for the same type of offroading shenanigans the current Taco is capable of, that's what I meant.

As far as shocks go the big 3 (and no, Icon is NOT included in those 3) screams circles all day around the baja suspension undoubtedly. Sure it may be made by Bilstein but everything about the stock setup indicates that it is a purely entry level mid travel suspension setup for the Tacoma. Even then, the valving will not and cannot handle everything that you could possibly want to do with the truck. Because all of the different offroad situations out there, there is no possible way that it will be compatible for everyones different styles.

I answered your questions in the first reply of this page ComaChic. What other questions do you have.

 

even if they are.... the 5100's 6112's / pro and baja shocks are not end user rebuildable.

 

That is correct, which ultimately makes them a part with a planned obsolescence. Much less possibilities and configurations for them makes them a great shock for those not looking to break the bank on a suspension lift setup.

I think a lot of the people here who talk about the Pro/ Baja suspension aren't necessarily hating on it. More highlighting the pro's and con's of it which ultimately makes them a very expensive suspension setup for the same kind of money you could invest into a solid rebuild able suspension setup.

No doubt the Pro/ Baja stuff is good. It has some good valving and much better road manners over the offroad model and the sport as well as much better offroad capabilities. Where that ends though is when you desire more out of the suspension. If you want more out of it, you are physically incapable of rebuilding/ revalving/ adding heims to both the upper and lower links of the suspension simply because they are a sealed unit. You cannot play with operating gas pressures either which is a fine tuning aspect of any serviceable quality built aftermarket unit.

 

This is a valid point. However, at $680 for the front set of 6112's, they are nearly half the price of a Fox 2.5" series with no reservoir. So obviously there will be a trade off somewhere. I was close to going with those Fox coil overs, but didn't want to spend that much money. But at the same time I was wanting a more performance oriented option than an OME or 5100 setup. It was kind of a happy medium.

If I had the money though I'd have gotten the Fox ultimate kit with the hi/lo speed compression and rebound adjustable piggyback setup.

 

You have to remember that after so many miles those shocks will have been deemed done and useless and you will then again have to invest x amount of $$ for the same kind of setup or better. So you pay twice or as many number of times you blow those shocks.

Just to stand clear on the adjusters that Fox makes, those are NOT for compression/ rebound adjustments. Those are for high speed/ low speed compression only. Those adjusters are capable of only helping so much as far as making your shocks ride more firm. Their tradeoff to using them while offroading is making the overall shock assembly hotter. They essentially meter the oil flow going through the reservoir as the shocks compress.