OK, the 3.5 should be a good engine

that's y I don't get putting a p##sy car engine in a truck... sure we had the 3.4 v6 AWHILE ago.... but now that we have the 4.0, y screw up displacement? for MPG? its a GD truck not a prius... grow a pair and understand what you bought.... don't like it and don't need it? get a car...

 

my god....

when will the idiots get that this is not a "car motor" This is a motor designed for a truck, built for the truck. It is also NOT a motor that has EVER been put in any car or truck, it is a brand new design and setup, so you can NOT reference current numbers from the 2GR line.

You also realize the "car motors" you are referencing (the 2GR-XXX line) is simply our current 1GR-FE with a shorter stroke.... so in fact the "car motor" out of those cars... is a "truck motor" tuned for a car application.

 

Lol ^This^
And simply because it's the same displacement as a Lexus motor means nothing. Toyota just needs to release the damn information so we can put this exhausted topic to bed.

 

Pretty cool if ya ask me

 

this is a question that seems legit, may be not... what if they had a big engine with this technology?

 

Fuel use would still increase. Greater displacement = more gas. All manufacturers are shrinking engines and tuning for horsepower and mileage because of the CAFE regulation changes.

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For vehicles of a particular wheelbase size (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporate_Average_Fuel_Economy) there is a required mileage standard. If Toyota wants to put a larger engine in the Tacoma, they actually have to make the truck bigger (unless it gets miraculous mileage). They already have the Tundra, so that caps that.

Honestly, a 3.5 tuned as a light truck engine should be perfect for the Tacoma. If you need bigger for towing, you're forced into a larger footprint.

Thanks, EPA!

 

Then we'll all just complain that it doesn't have 350 lb-ft of torque and 35 MPG and say Toyota needs to "step up their game" because apparently we're all experts on what kind of power and efficiency you can get out of an engine while meeting cost targets and emissions standards.

 

do away with government over reach and vehicles get better.... more braaap more fun.

 

All good observations. Displacement used to be the bench mark for power but it's more about breathing, which can be modified and controlled during a work cycle in a truck. Under heavy load there may not be that much difference between a hard working 3.5 with 300 hp and. 4.0 with nearly that much in gas mileage.

But, I agree, during the "down times" when you aren't towing or carrying heavy loads, which is 90% ( more for some) of the time, you can save substantial amounts of gas by controlling fuel and air more efficiently which with a larger displacement motor is more difficult to do.

"No replacement for displacement" has to be a statement made before Ford startd throwing in 2.7 L motors with 325 hp and similar amounts of torque.

 

Aren't all of the gassers in today's trucks pretty much car engines, just tune differently?

Shoot my knee-grow...look at the old 22R's found both in cars and the trucks...

Applications:

22R
1981 Toyota Corona
1981-1988 Toyota Hilux
1981-1984 Toyota Celica
1991 Toyota Cressida
1981-1995 Toyota Pickup
1984 Toyota 4Runner
22R-E
1985-1995 Toyota Hilux
1983-1985 Toyota Celica
1983-1987 Toyota Corona RT142
1984-1995 Toyota Pickup
1985-1995 Toyota 4Runner
1989-1997 Volkswagen Taro
22R-TE
late 1985-1988 Toyota Hilux, 135 hp (101 kW)
1986-1987 Toyota 4Runner

 

Usually you will find that a block is made for the biggest motor in the line....

Take for example the XGR line.

The 1GR is the 4.0L v6, the biggest of the GR line..... next one down the 2GR-XXX is simply stroked less than the 1GR, with different technologies and cam profiles etc etc.

 

i could of, but there is SO MUCH misinformation being spread by such people when in reality we dont know much more than what was said at the initial press release.

People are just making 100% bold blanket statements etc...

 

Could be, but 4 months after "new" truck show there is still no information....
Clearly something is very wrong.
When Toyota released 2005 Tacoma (2gen) in Jan 2004 they had everything ready. This time we are almost in May and no numbers. The only reason for that would be that numbers are crap and Toyota is trying to make last minute changes.

Good Luck to first buyers because you gonna need it.

 

Amazes me how some people already know what engine will be used and that it will not be reliable..These folks need to help me with some future stock picks!

 

id buy stock in Toyota....

 

The truck has to be tested by a independent agency to confirm the HP torque and fuel economy numbers. Also Honda and Nissan are working on new midsize trucks. They won't release numbers till closer to the release date. Doesn't mean that they have crap numbers.
Can't believe how cynical some people are.

 

The big reason for the lack of information is to keep the competition at bay as long as possible.

An all new Nissan Frontier is in development for 2017.
An all new Honda Ridgeline is coming out in early 2016 based on the newly unveiled 2016 Honda Pilot with 280+ horsepower.
The GM twins already have 306 horsepower and a Diesel is on its way for 2016.

And the main reason is that this engine will no doubt make its way to the 4-Runner, base Tundra, The Hilux in certain markets as well as the Prado and by releasing too much information too soon can hamper sales of all of these models as consumers await the newest Toyota truck engine to become available in other tuck applications.