OK, the 3.5 should be a good engine

15 city? I get that now.

 

So, 15/20/25 mpg for the Prado with the 1GR? Need to check which variant of the 1gr that is.

Add 17% for the Tacoma puts us at: 18/23/29...seems awfully optimistic.....hwy got to be too high. Maybe we can also extrapolate using the FJ 1GR and add about 15%

Anyhow, maybe something like 18/21/25 for a 4wd Dcab won't be unreasonable? Hmm.

(At work else I would do more random digging around)

 

The 300 hp is overly optimistic I feel. I think Toyota will err on the side of pleasing the 2 nd gen lovers who liked their 4.0 with torque and power peaks lower and with less hp overall. Toyota has never been real big on making motors with high HP for the Tacoma. Heck, it has been arguably the least powerful HP wise but perhaps the most reliable and drivable for it's intended use..,WORK.

 

So they will put less HP & Torque in the new model so they don't
hurt the feelings of current owners?

 

Ahhhhh, yes (Sarc) you can tune the motor to have lower hp rating at higher rpm and have better power band numbers at lower rpm or economy. These things aren't electric motors. They do say it will be tune more for truck use. That makes me "feel" better.

 

That link is to a Prado with the 4.0 L V6, same as the current Tacoma.

 

Converted the power numbers from the Chinese Prado forum and I'm getting 286 HP and 264 LB/FT For the new 7GR-FSE

 

Still have not heard anyone from Toyota mention torque being better. If it were, they would be tooting their own horn. So far only better HP and MPG have been mentioned. Towing also, which could be improved via lighter frame/body and better transmission. Don't get your hopes up, y'all.

 

Yep...which was in response to this:

 

I don't know why people get obsessed with the Tacoma's tow rating. Honestly if you bought a mid sized truck to tow more than a tiny TT you weren't thinking straight. There is a reason why half tons are popular for towing, they won't struggle or redline there engines towing like the Tacoma or Colorado does. If you tow lots you are better off having a used half ton in the family than trying to fudge the Tacoma into that role IMHO. That being said I still see lots of CUV's with 4000 lbs travel trailers in the summer so at least the Tacoma does better than that!

Nice find 7GR! Makes me happy I'm sticking with my S/C 1 GR-FE for now. After a new pulley and my intake/headers/exhaust I'm still going to be pushing +100 HP and torque over whatever the 7GR will be able to do. Not all of us have Rock Lobsters problem of having our TRD S/C with only the suck and blow settings available .

That being said the 7GR sounds like an impressive motor. I'm glad Toyota is choosing to stay away from DOD aka displacement on demand. Ford made the same decision and has had no issue getting as good or better fuel economy out of there similar V8 competition while putting out awesome HP on the Coyote engine. If Ford can do it I'm sure Toyota can as well.

 

Wait, what? I thought the Tacoma doing 30 mph up I-90 at Columbia River towing a large TT was doing just fine. After all, everyone in the towing section says their Tacoma tows everything under the sun with "no problem". smh.

 

I've towed up a few BC passes with a 4000 lbs TT on the Tacoma. It did just fine. I won't knock the people who do it, because it is still within the capabilities of the truck.

However, for me, just fine isn't how I want to feel when towing with my wife and kid long distances. I just towed my trailer up to our spot with our new F150. The F150 didn't even feel like anything was behind it . My Tacoma got about 8 mpg towing that trailer. The F150 got 14 mpg, which funny enough is about the normal mileage of a Tundra lol.

What does bug me is when people start asking for 7000 lbs tow ratings on the Tacoma. Really? You want to tow that much weight behind a mid size .

 

Completely agree on the towing debate!

Is the new engine something that cannot be s/c'd?

 

all made mute when it breaks... until gm ups their quality, it's all meaningless.

 

The TRD S/C is a bolt on kit for the 1 GR-FE engine on the 2nd gen Tacoma. It's very convenient in that it is Toyota supported, can be installed with warranty included from the dealer, and doesn't require any fiddling to get it to work properly. Unfortunately the kit does not fit or work with the Dual VVT version of the 1 GR-FE, such as in the newer FJ, and Toyota doesn't seem interested in bringing one out for that application. This makes me wonder if our current Tacoma's will be the last generation with manufacturer supported boosting.

There is probably nothing that is physically stopping Toyota from boosting the 7GR. When the engine goes into the Atkinson cycle the S/C would be in bypass anyways. However, given that Toyota did not invest in developing a S/C for the Dual VVT version of the 1 GR-FE it doesn't seem likely to me they will develop a boosted application for the 7 GR either. Just my guess of course, but it makes sense.

 

yes, but the Tacoma is their s/c cash cow.... most of the s/c's they sell are for Tacomas... I can see it if the market is large enough, which it is.

 

I can see that side of the argument too. However I also see Toyota dialing back boosted options on the Scions too and now you can't even install a S/C on a Tundra in Canada. It makes me think we may be coming to the end of an era..

 

Towing does matter. Many Tacoma owners have small trailers they pull. Me for an example, I have a small 3500 lb Casita camper I pull. I like a Tacoma for daily driving and for the fact it can pull my trailer too. Any extra power/capacity is appreciated. I have no plans to pull anything over 5,000 lbs ever. So towing is a factor.

 

That's a tiny TT, which I said is well within the Tacoma's tow rating. The tow rating will no go down. I'm sure, whether it's through gearing or the transmission, that the new Tacoma will tow no worse than the old.

I was talking about the guys who are looking for more power out of the 3.5 L to gain another 500 lbs of towing for a 26 ft 5500lbs trailer. Plenty of those guys around on this site.

I got sick of towing similar weight (4200 lbs 21 foot Jayco Jayflight) over long distances with terrible mileage, so when we needs another family vehicle buying a half ton was a no brainer.

 

they cant stop boost altogether... itll always be around, just harder to find.