Toyota Sitting On Their Hands

The design intent of the rear was to appeal to the masses. I'm sure when they considered who the masses are, meaning who primarily buys a Tacoma, results likely indicated that most would not be using it for towing. Instead owners would be using the truck for commuting and rarely ever have weight in the bed of the truck. Keeping this in mind they designed the leaf packs to provide a comfortable ride appealing to the majority.

Bottom line is the there's no such thing as a perfect leaf pack because regardless of how they design it folks are going to complain that its either too stiff or too soft.

 

Thanks for all the replies. You got my attention. I definitely don't want the same thing to happen again with Toyota's crappy leafs and waiting for Toyota is not an option for me any way.

Here are my last few questions that I have: What can I put on the rear and not have to worry about getting adjustable shocks in the front to keep the truck level? Will the air bags be ok in this regard? It sounds like the Dakar springs are nice too, but don't have any experience in this area.

 

If it's stock, it's not level now.

If you don't want to raise the front to compensate for the back (to keep the factory stance or to level it more), air bags are your best bet. The General HD packs raise the back 1.5-2" and the Wheelers are 2"-2.5" I believe. I believe there are some packs that only raise 1-1.5", but that's still going to make it less level than it is now.

Dakars are higher than any of those options.

 

my take; any manufacturer takes in a lot of data when it comes to final designs. I would bet the Tacoma was aimed at mall crawlers. they came up with final design and sent it out to the sub. when they do analysis they do lightweight in consideration of the target market. mfg sends specs, sub builds. being a corp that answers to stockholders they (toyota) took lowball build numbers to cross index with targeted final pricing. in order to meet the objective, the sub built what was adequate to meet production but also in turn make their investors happy.

yes, all stock companies will sacrifice product in order to make ROI to investors happy.

how would you feeel if your IRA or Roth did the best for the consumer? your growth would be zilch

 

Don't ask, Don't tell.

 

This is reality, it ain't gimme now buy an APP etc. They say it needs done. You don't make 1000 springs without a contract. Or 35,000 springs. Lawyers need to get involved, money needs sent, promises etc, testing, more lawyers. And the boat ride, and the shipments, and the scheduling. It takes time. Part of the modern world.

It's NOT like buying a slurpee at 7-11. These things take time.

Lastly talking to a dealer, at the very end of the line is like asking a 7-11 clerk when will they get in a Chipolte grill in that empty space in back. Like they have a clue.

 

I got tired of waiting and ordered a set from wheeler's and installed them a few weeks ago. It is a huge improvement over the stock springs. Actually feels like a truck now instead of a worn out grocery getter.
I did find a crack after removing the driver's side forward u-bolt.
I would have never seen it without taking off that bolt.
Hopefully Toyota will pay me for the springs but I'm not counting on it.

 

Which Wheeler set did you go with? How much lift? I'm getting ready to pull the trigger on these:

Thanks.

 

I went with a 4 leaf pack since the 5 leaf pack you listed was sold out.
I think the 5 leaf pack would have been too much lift anyways.
My truck sits just a little high in back but it does not sit so high that it looks stupid. I think it will settle a little over time.
I also ordered new Bilstiens also since wheeler's prices was the lowest anywhere for the shocks.
I never saw the 4 leaf pack listed on their site but they have them. I was told that they were imported but they have "USA" painted on them.

 

Thanks, I'll inquire about the 4 leaf pack. I need to stay with standard rear shock length for my build.

 

You will be happy with them. Save your receipt and maybe Toyota will pay you for them... someday.

 

THIS!!!!!

And THIS
Calling the dealer and being a dick is always the best way to go..Want to bet you just moved to the bottom of the "We will get to you list"

 

That's the plan, but not holding my breath.

 

Here's my story:

My 2010 4x4 double cab had one spring replaced and then after i complained about my truck being so out of level Toyota then replaced the other spring. I don't think they have replaced my springs with the same rated spring as what i had. My truck now sits 1 3/4" lower in the back than the front. I bought it with a Toyotech leveling kit and now the rear end needs to be picked up. My service manager said they would get this truck back right. It's just waiting that is so frustrating!! I have been approved to get the two NEW springs when the FULL recall comes out.

 

They have several tiers of suppliers. No way all if any are working at full capacity. Not to mention that additional suppliers can be brought on line for increases in demand.

 

The new one with the girl motor

 

How would you know this? Capacity is built around a plan to maximize OEE. If they aren't working at using the maximum OEE they will not be around long. In other words I'm fairly sure that you are incorrect. Granted they could pay more and work weekends to increase the stocks of springs as a temporary measure, but that still takes time.

Do you work for an automotive supplier?

I do.

 

Toyota is using the new springs on new trucks

 

It = singular. one.
So... They will replace the broken spring but not both? Resulting in a crooked truck?
Toyota....Ohh what a feeling!


OP look on the bright side...
When Toyota finally decides to give you springs, your frame will be rotted out and need to be replaced as well.

 

Xtopher, you SOB, you. You had to push my button. It's a Sunday morning. Why not. LOL

You bringing up the rust issue is another serious QUALITY issue I have with Toyota. BTW, I didn't give a ?hit that I went off on the TSD as I shared at the beginning of this post. I could care less that I'm even on their list for call backs when the springs do show up. Bottom of list, I don't care as I'm not going to them with the recall work any way. Generally, when I go off on somebody like I did, I've already made up my mind that I don't want them touching my truck.

Also, my assertion that Toyota is "sitting on their hands" they have. If they DID care about safety AND quality of their product, they would have resolved this leaf issue before now. It's been going on for how long now, 15 years or however many years. Are you ?ucking kidding me? Another comment made was that one should not complain about the recall wait when it's for "free" springs. What a moronic statement to think we are waiting for "free" springs. Guess what? You paid for it. You should have gotten the right springs in the first place, but you did not when you ALREADY spent how much, $28,000 or whatever for your truck. GUESS TOYOTA DIDN'T CHARGE YOU ENOUGH FOR A BETTER VEHICLE. Yes, that's the problem. They've been ?ucking you over for years and all anyone can do is get better springs in the aftermarket.

This issue of automotive quality (which is my background and hopefully now you'll know where I'm coming from) touches on so many levels I don't even know where to begin. Anyone ever hear of Dr. Edwards Demming? Google him if you haven't.

Hear, let's all start with the following letter to Toyota:

Dear Toyota:

We as tacoma truck owners are getting tired of having to find the "correct" springs that should have been designed to last at least 200,000 miles (or more) right off the assembly line. We NOW realize after all these years that you will continue to refuse to give us quality springs for whatever reason (engineers still sitting on their hands, not paying enough for the vehicle, etc.). Could you please THIS time give us what we should have been getting long ago. I guess we will have to sacrifice our wallets and would be willing to PAY MORE for a better quality truck if that is what it's going to take for you to design the leafs properly.

Respectfully yours,

The gullible Tacoma Owners who NOW WILL PAY MORE for the right product the first time around.

Note: "frame" can be inserted into the letter to replace the word, "springs" for those pissed off about the frame. In my case I would need to send two letters as one would be for the springs and the other for the frame.

My issue with the Toyota design engineers is for another post. I have worked with engineers during the design phase. I also know that when the ?hit hits the fan regarding quality issues, field complaints and the likes, they never show up at the meetings. Nope the engineers are "better" than everyone else. It's "never" their problem. It has to be production who ?ucked up. Why of course it has to be.

My rant on the frame issue will be discussed later. I have to rest my brain right now because it is so hot. But remember, please be careful what you say in defense of Toyota. I might pop a vein in my head. LOL Carry on.