General Discussion and BS thread -Safe Haven

He made that as a general statement. He wanted more people to do the work to understand what they were seeing rather than just accepting that it was true. While I agree with that viewpoint, I think applying it to vehicle systems isn't completely necessary. Do you know the algorithm that works your VSC?

People didn't understand how the horse worked, or for that matter gravity. Actually right now our best minds don't even totally understand gravity. I'm not to worried about the general population not knowing how technology works. If a few of us do that's all that is really needed. Training people how to drive is always a touchy subject because it's all about opinion. Even professional drivers have accidents, were they poorly trained? Probably not. It's far more likely they were adjusting there radio which caused an accident then they didn't understand how the blind spot system worked on sonar and therefore didn't pick up the stealth coated jet sitting beside him .

 

Liability is why that won't hit the streets legally for a while. The first error that truck has where someone dies will be the last time it's allowed on the roads.

Self driving tractors or inventory management systems are here and will become big soon, but vehicles on the open road... not so much. Too much risk for so little reward.

 

1. It's already legal in California.
2. Google has already driven millions of miles with self-driving cars on actual roads.
3. There is no risk to the company operating the driverless cars. They will be insured like anything else.
4. There will be window-licking retards calling for a ban after someone dies, but the fact that driverless cars will be demonstrably safer, on the order of 100s of times safer than human drivers, no one will listen.

 

Have it coming from both ends, most of us don't know how it all works, and loosing skills on top of that. I dunno man, the younger generation seems like they care more about taking selfies than anything else...call me a cynic.


Back to the 3rd Gen, the wife doesn't care for it either, she is telling me to buy something old and basic...instead of getting a brand new truck. Something to be said for keeping it simple.

 

Those roads are the ones worth 10x the current ones. The government has enough troubles keeping our roads in half ass shape, they don't have the money to roll out roads worth that much. Those systems are fool proof and neat though.

With a driver in the seat. If you really dig into it google mentions many times that the driver had to over ride the system.

LOLZ. In 'Mericuh you can sue someone for looking at you wrong at work for millions. If a self driving semi kills ten people do you really think insurance will cover it. I would also suspect the DOT would remove all self driving vehicles off the road until the error is found. That alone would cost companies $$$.

Yes they would be. I'm not arguing against that. I'm arguing that the reality of such systems, and the fact that the best systems available are extremely cost prohibitive, will keep such systems from being common on our roads for the next 20 years.

Self driving agricultural equipment and inventory equipment, like forklifts, will be here far sooner than that though because those systems can be less complex with simpler safety because their tasks and routes are minimized. That allows for a simpler, lower cost, system that won't have all the issues full on road systems will.

 

True. I am worried about the amount of people who don't understand how a computer works or how easy it is to get at the information contained in one. I see people all the time ranting about how they won't use a credit card online but still don't have a password on their laptop.

Even I've wondered about maybe buying a 1st gen Tundra next time instead of a newer Tacoma because it would probably fit my needs best and be easier to work on. That being said the new trucks are really nice for long drives. I wish my Tacoma had half of the features of my wifes brand new F150.

 

Not to get off topic (my apologies)... This makes me think of all the things they don't teach in school anymore.
Like..they stopped teaching kids how to write cursive. Drivers Ed classes are no longer offered in some schools. What else aren't they teaching?

Just the other day I was talking with a coworker. She mentioned to me that one high school student she knows ....had no clue what the "@" symbol meant prior to being a 'hashtag'. They didn't realize it was a character on a typewriter and thought Twitter (or whatever, I don't hashtag myself) existed since the 70's. This totally boggles my mind.

Doesn't really matter.....the world is going to change. Cars & trucks will evolve. Toyota has to evolve with the rest of the manufacturers to stay ahead. At the same time - they're profit margins are smaller, overall costs are higher, healthcare costs are skyrocketting, etc. They have to save money to make more profits to spend the money on future R&D.

 

They don't teach shop, music, or art classes I hear. "hashtag" that is funny, I remember when "#" meant "pound"

My wife is an art professor, she is trying to teach the kids some of the old ways of doing projects, she brought in a bunch of type-writers in for a class...most of them have never seen a type writer in person let alone use one. One of the main complaints was how hard it was to push the keys.

She has a bunch of old equipment, poster presses to antique letter presses to cameras that use film! ...the ironic thing she teaches digital media, but incorporates some of the old tools and technics so it doesn't get lost, and try to get the students to realize the way it used to be.

There is a company now making Polaroid film again, she was enable to get a bunch of cameras donated to the school. The thing with Polaroid or any film camera, is that you only have so many pictures that you can take...you have to really think of your subject matter....none of this infinite amount of pictures you can take...

 

Yeah this thing is starting open road testing in Nevada. I work in the trucking industry and am pretty excited about it. IF they can prove that it is safe (so far so good) it will revolutionize trucking. Less accidents due to dozing off, less driver error, cheaper costs, etc. This is particularly important for the industry to survive. It's hard enough to get someone to sit in the seat as an over the road driver with all of tge risks and lack of quality of life. This should help recruit new drivers as well. Less time on the road due to greater driving times between stops equals more time at home.

I bet it will even improve average fuel economy. my company spends millions each month in fuel so I'm definitely excited to see this thing take off. If i am remembering correctly Freightliner has tested more miles on this truck than google has on tbeir cars and has yet to havr any sort of accident. The drivers have only had to take the controls a couple of times so far.

 

I agree with those that say auto makers are worried about the liability involved with self driving vehicles in the lawsuit happy world we live in. I feel the technology is closer than the auto makers heart to actually use it. I can see many people suing the maker of the self driving vehicle even if it wasn,t that vehicles fault the accident happened.

 

I hear that! Technology is a double edge sword, on one hand it is great...on the other, it terrifies me to some extent...who knows Idiocracy may become true...Hell, it is kinda happening already!

The new stuff certainly is nice, no doubt about it. I honestly don't need all the features the new vehicles have. I am ok with the "less is more" way of thinking.

I am thinking even older than a 1st Gen Tundra...like 70's. Doesn't take much to keep them running and cheap to fix. I have a boring commuter vehicle anyways. Just want another 4WD to go exploring the dirt back roads of Idaho.

 

Hech, most kids can't name our 1st president. Or current VP.
The public school system is a joke in most places.
It went to chit when the Feds got too involved.

 

It would be awesome! And one has even been built, (just a single cab frame with a DC bed on an AC cab) but that's no reason for everyone to refer to their truck as an ACLB. That would be like saying RCLB which no one has ever said, it must be these AC drivers

 

What really concerns me is that I can tell you all 50 states and your first President but I haven't met an American yet that can even name the PM of Canada, let alone the first one or any of our history. That kind of concerns me considering we are one of your largest trading partners and, in the future, going to be one of your largest sources of imported raw materials.

 

Where the F*** is Canadia?

Really though I learned very little about Canada in school. Much more about russia.

 

Gotta give y'all credit - a whole page of posts (at least one) and not a single bitch about the 2016 Tacoma!

 

Goes to show how old and inept I am ..I referred to the @ as the hashtag. I don't twitter or do any of that stuff. LOL I don't even know what the hell the 'new age' stuff is!!!

That's awesome that your wife spends time to show the 'history' of certain everyday things we take for granted. Certainly shows the history of 'man kind' has busted their butts to give us everything we have today. It's just amazing....I don't feel that old... but the gap of generations and how they've never seen a type writer or know what the # or @ symbol originally meant - in a matter of only 30-35 years?

 

I tried the twitter thing for my business...I couldn't get into it. Do people really need to know about the piddly daily life things that we do?

"I am now eating lunch"...

Yeah it is crazy how much technology has progressed in these last 30-35 years...and waaay before my time the early 1900's letter press we have, the amount of work that goes into setting up a page to print, is mind boggling...now it is a couple key strokes, and you can change the font and/or edit with such ease. Not to mention that damn thing weighs 1200# (see what I did there? )