Looks like it's not a 7GR, EPC partially updated: 2GR-FKS

So I have a question for you BlueT. If all of the stats on a 2017 4.7 L Tacoma are exactly the same, other than cost/mpg/HP/torque, as the 2016 V6 version you would spend the extra money for the V8?

That's why the Dakota V8 died off. Most people said no to lower mpg, lower trailering weights, lower payload, higher costs, and mediocre HP/Torque numbers and went up to the Dodge Ram.

 

Exactly. A V8 in a Tacoma will come at a premium price while the same V8 in a Tundra will have a lower price and higher capability. If you want to tow, get a Tundra.

 

They won't make a V8 option. You know this.

 

^Yup.

A V8 version would be more likely to scare off customers to an F150, GM Sierra/Silverado, Dodge Ram, Toyota Tundra, or Nissan Titan (in that order) rather then attract more sales.

Why would the average consumer pay another $2K for lower capabilities than a full sized you could buy the same or less money with similar fuel economy numbers.

 

If it comes with better tow rating (like 8000LB) than yes... I rather spend $5000 on V8 than on getting TRD pro packaged.
And $ 5000 for 5.7L V8 s cheaper than buying supercharger fro 4.0 but more power.

 

This is why GM won't even put the 4.3 V6 in the mid-size twins. It blurs the line between a less profitable truck and a more profitable truck (I will let you guess which one is more profitable). They don't want someone to who is about to pull the trigger on a $40k Silverado to buy a $35k Colorado instead.
We all know that GM put a V8 in the gen 1 Colorado and same with the Dodge Dakota. They were flops. Toyota, GM and Nissan know putting a V8 in a truck used for mid-size duties will not sell well with a full-size engine. Not to mention CAFE standards and regs.
Can we just shut up and stop whining about no V8 or diesel? Ain't gonna happen. Let's be realists.

 

That's the thing though. I doubt a V8 Tacoma is going to have that sort of tow rating because I doubt the engine is the weight limiting factor on the Tacoma. Even if it does it'll be like the Dakota's were and not be able to tow 6,000lbs like a similarly priced/costs half ton.

 

I just with there was an HD Prius that came with a non-hybrid option V6. Yeah, that'd be sweet.

 

Somebody today made me realize that the same conversation happened on Ridgeline forum almost 10 years ago.
When I was trying to decide between 2gen and Ridgeline I sign up for their forum, and thats where crap went south.
Honda fan boys told me that buying 2 gen was pointless because.
1. Nobody needs 4.0 L rough truck engine and 3.5 Honda engine was perfect had plenty of power and torque to handle.
2. Nobody needs 6500 lb towing capacity because thats too much to tow anyway.
3. Nobody will buy Tacoma because Honda has more creature comforts and majority of the people dont use Truck as truck but as grocery getter so they prefer smooth ride with all the nice futures.
4. Nobody cares about true old fashion 4x4 and Honda Awd system is way better.
5. They told me I did not know what I was talking about, when I said nobody is going to buy lifted Odyssey.
6. Forgot the best one: What makes you think you know better than Honda, they did research and they know exactly what kind of truck people are looking for.... priceless.
Calendar year US sales
2005 42,593[25]
2006 50,193
2007 42,795
2008 33,875
2009 16,464
2010 16,142
2011 9,759
2012 14,068
2013 17,723[26]
2014 13,389

They crapped on Tacoma to be old fashion simplistic truck and predicted Ridgeline with all the comforts and car like futures will become standard for all other trucks.

 

There is a too....

 

Apples and oranges. Not to mention the styling of the Ridgeline was just too hideous for most to consider.

 

I dunno, you're getting into 1/2 ton towing capacities then. The Tacoma has gotten a little large as it is already. Take the F150 for an example, the normally aspirated V6 and the EcoBoost 2.7 go from 5100-8400# depending on how you configure it.

http://www.ford.com/trucks/f150/specifications/towing/

If anything, Toyota should scale back the Tacoma (and Tundra). Liked it better when they marched to their own drum beat and didn't try to compete with the Big 3. Should of kept the mini-truck, (and focused on fuel economy) and for those "Toyota Guys" who want/need a little more...the 1st gen Tundra was a about the perfect size without being ginormous. Need something bigger...look into their Hino/Dyna line. Cabovers have a much better use of cargo space than any conventional pickup.

 

He named it ozone slayer. Win.

 

Read the comments about ugly grill on 2016 and interior.

Exactly same crap just 10 years later with different truck.

 

I'm over the styling of the 2016. Would not have been how I would have done it but I think configured properly it will look handsome. The Colorado looks like a soft ball of cookie dough.

 

A couple of farms around here have bought old Hino's for moving the odd bale around. People laugh at them. I'm sure they are good trucks but cab overs aren't really great multipurpose vehicles.

 

Ha ha! (I missed that!)

 

For a no bullshit work vehicle, can't beat 'em. Me thinks why the rest of the world uses them, I dunno...may not be the ideal family hauler...but for work...I would argue, about as multipurpose as you can get.

 

I have some thoughts on this that you might want to consider

This is really the only point that has some merit comparing the two situations. Yes, the 4.0 L 1GF-RE is a "truck" engine and whatever is coming is unknown.

The 3rd gen is going up to 6800 lbs. That's an improvement but a very slight one. Most people wouldn't care if it was 7000 lbs. Either way this Tacoma will be rated to tow about the same loads as the last Tacoma. If geared right it should do the job in a similar fashion.

The new Tacoma will have truck suspension with a solid rear axle. It looks like it will share many of the suspension parts with the last model. I wouldn't be worried about a Ridgeline like suspension on the Tacoma.

Tacoma will still have true 4WD. It will also have the more reliable 8.4" rear end with electronic locker on the OR edition this time.

The 2016 Tacoma will not share the exact engine with the 2016 Sienna. If anything it may have the same displacement and block, but the heads, intake, cams, etc will be vastly different.

Toyota has been building trucks for a long time. Honda was taking their first stab at it in North America. They f'd up for sure. I doubt Toyota will.