Hilux!!!!

you used secret squirrel lol havent heard that in a while bahahaha.....

 

http://www.ehow.com/how_7354030_import-toyota-hilux-usa.html



I want one of those

 

I don't know why everyone has such a hard on for hiluxes. I drive them all the time when I deploy and honestly, they're pieces of crap. Even the new/low mileage ones. They're poorly equipped, inside has the absolute bare minimum, radio/speakers suck, everything rattles like CRAZY, poor fit/finish, slow as hell, loud, the shift throw is like an 18 wheeler, and they're ugly as sin. I would much rather have a Tacoma.

And before you go on saying "well the military uses base model stuff...", yes that's true, but a base model Tacoma quality-wise is essentially the same truck as a fully loaded 4x4. Where all the hiluxes I've driven, even pretty well equipped and newer ones, are still garbage compared to any American midsize truck

Ok end rant. Don't get all mad, this is just my personal opinion

 

Yup.

You ask guys who go to the middle east where both are available and they say the Tacoma is the high end nice model and the Hilux is the low end work model.

I think guys on here have watched too much Topgear and think the Hilux is a bajillion times better in reliability and offroad worthiness.

 

I've never once watched Top Gear.

However, I *like* work trucks. I enjoy my hand crank windows & my bench seat. I'm sorry SOME of us don't happen to care much for your frilly 'needs'

Do you need a hand powdering your bottom before unwinding those panties?

 

payload

D4D

 

I'll give you the payload. The Hilux is basically the rest of the worlds half ton so it gets numbers that are much better than what we are used to.

D4D isn't coming to NA. Maybe one day, but not anytime soon. Don't get too excited with the announcement that the new engine has better emissions. It still won't pass stateside without urea injection and a better exhaust filter. After those add on's who knows how good it would be.

I hit a nerve there, eh?

Calm down. I've run more work trucks in my life than I can count on my hands and I'm not even thirty yet. I wouldn't of bought a Hilux for any of those jobs. Toyota tried bring in small trucks over 30 years ago with half ton like capacities. They didn't sell well here. I doubt Toyota is interested in trying that again when the Tacoma sells so well.

 

I've never been over seas. But watching Top Gear and watching the "traffic" when they are out on challenges it seems that trucks to them are trucks. No the American truck these days where they are in some cases luxury vehicles. Makes sense the Hilux would be a "base truck".

But it goes with the saying "you always want what you can't have" They are probably over there driving Hiluxes going "I wish I could import a Tacoma!"

 

It sounds more like *I* did.

Sorry to be the one to break it to you. Not everyone has the same tastes in trucks, or the same wants. Film at 11.

Good thing nothing has changed in 30 years then, eh?

Oh...wait....

 

I'm not the one who challenged someones masculinity over power windows .

I'm sure there is a market for the Hilux but my point is that it likely not only conflicts with the already highly successful Tacoma, but considering most Tacoma's are commuter trucks it probably wouldn't be a big seller anyways. I'm definately not knocking your desire for the Hilux. To each his own . IMHO there isn't enough difference between the two offroad for me to care one way or the other. A Diesel engine and firmer suspension isn't going to do anything for me there my S/C gas job isn't already doing extremely well.

Americans still love big cars. The moment gas prices went down SUV and 1/2 ton sales nearly doubled. Until excessively high gas prices return the demand for Diesels in smaller vehicles won't be high enough to cover the costs of developing the emissions control systems for engines that aren't already over here. I expect the new Diesel Colorado will have poor sales for that reason, at least until the gas prices return to there normal highs.

 

That last part isn't the problem in and of itself, IMHO

Its actually pretty simple: End the CAFE exemption for trucks and SUVs over 5000 pounds.

I promise you the problem will work itself out inside of 3 model years. Probably 2.

 

IIRC that weight standard is gone circa 2011. The new standard relies on footprint for trucks. Even the Tacoma gets a bit of a break.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporate_Average_Fuel_Economy#cite_note-49

Look at the 2011 agreement and attached sources. Light trucks now are judged on square footage. Only trucks with a weight above 8500 lbs, basically 3/4 ton and above, are exempt from CAFE. SUV's, in general, are now judged the same as cars.

 

Well, thank you!

No, seriously. Thanks. I think its more important to listen and learn and, dare I say, evolve one's point of view than it is to just scream louder until the other side gives up.

Thus, now that you've shown I was not just wrong but talkin' straight out my ass, I'll accept that I looked really dumb doing so as well

 

The point is never to make people look or feel dumb! Your point about wanting a Hilux like truck is well received and I agree if the chicken tax disappears someone should go after that market. I just don't think Toyota would given how dominant the Tacoma is. Best case scenario, maybe with the chicken tax gone, that we could see the two go to a common platform in 10 years.

 

I like them but they'd probably cost 50 to 60 grand new here with a diesel engine. I'd buy a real diesel truck from ford or dodge if I had that kind of money to spend on a work truck.

 

I would like to have a small compact 3/4 ton truck no bigger than the 2nd gen DCLB. I consider my taco with my mods as being a 1/2 ton as far as payload capacity goes, not legally of course, but would appreciate a boxed frame, lower gearing and stiffer springs. I figure why have a long box if you cant fill it up to the top with gravel?

 

Saw this beast in Cartagena last week.

 

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Nothing wrong with wanting small truck that has nice payload, and simplistic design that is easily repairable..
Hilux is all that. People who say there is no market for this type of the truck apparently do not see the resale value on 1gen trucks. They are small, they have boxed frame, they can haul easily more than 2 gen Tacoma.
My Reg cab had manual windows, and I never wanted auto in there. Why because when your truck sinks you can still open them to get out with tow strap.
Market is there its the inability to make money on parts and services what Toyota does not want. Bring small simple truck back and dealerships will have nothing to do again.

 

The first gen wasn't a 3/4 ton though . Where you been BlueT. We all thought you bought a Nissan or something.

BTW the Hilux has similar dimensions to the Tacoma. All of the foreign trucks have grown. Check out the size of the Colorado. They didn't grow it bigger for NA. That's how big international small trucks are now. There isn't a first gen sized truck left out there, and the first gen was never the sort of truck you seem to describe (heavy half ton capable.) Maybe if you're talking about the 1980's Toyota Trucks you could order with the 1 ton rear, then sure that truck was heavy duty, but even that truck has disappeared for personal use internationally. If you want that truck you have to order it commercially, which TBH I believe Ford is planning to do with the 2016 transit connect (front cab only configuration and massive payload.)

PS Mythbusters showed that electric windows work for about 30 seconds even after the truck submerges. Most people who die if they somehow end up in a vehicle underwater die because they panicked and tried to kick the windows out. Even if your window doesn't open you should find the highest point in the car and keep your head there until the vehicle is full of water. Once the cab is full of water the pressure differential between the inside and out is gone. You can then open the door and swim away.

 

Vacations, nice 1000+ mile road trip. Enjoyed my 5.7 iForce v8. Nothing like yelling at yuppies in their ricers, "move f over to slow line"
Diesel Hilux is pretty much what I need. Nothing fancy, I would take manuall windows too.
Should have kept my 1gen instead of letting Toyota crushed.