recent consumer reports review of the colorado

Seriously though, go over to coloradofans.com and just browse through their 2015 forums. Most are related to troubles they are already having on their new trucks. One of the new threads is called "How about some positive stuff for once?". Doesn't mean they are all bad but I see a general trend with new Colorado buyers.

 

Still speculation. You are likely right about the Colorado having more HP but, given that the 3.5 L is a more advanced engine than the Chevy and how terrible the real world Chevy numbers are on mpg, the Toyota Tacoma will likely win there.

I doubt a large amount of Toyota owners will jump ship. There was this sort of attitude around when the first generation truck was discontinued and still the Tacoma lead the pack looking back on things now. Toyota is well entrenched in the midsized market. GM would have to release an extraordinary truck and Toyota would have to totally, not just partially, fudge up the Tacoma's reliability for GM to close the sales gap much more than they have to this point.

I doubt the Colorado will hit more than 30 mpg real world in Diesel. People keep forgetting that small trucks push almost the same amount of air moving forward as large trucks and this engine will be even wimpier than the Ecodiesel, which is already very short on power not to mention it's other issues. I see 30 mpg highway as being roughly where the Colorado will be, and if Seers is right that the emissions system and engine will add $5K to the Colorado price, I doubt many buyers will be interested. Sure, the guys who have an absolute raging boner for diesel will buy in, but that's not even close to a significant percentage of midsized buyers. I have a funny feeling the small Duramax will have the same success that the 5.3 L engine had in the Colorado. Very little with a ton of hype.

And, just to clarify, I do think that Diesels have a place in North America. I think under current regulations though the cost/power disadvantage is not enough to cover up the mpg advantage. That might mean that as CAFE gets stricter though that the balance could push towards Diesels and the technology might become cheap enough once that happens for Diesels to make a real impact over here. Still, even in Europe, if you want a performance based vehicle everyone goes gas. Diesels are basically for fuel sipping over there.

 

This is a great one..... http://coloradofans.com/forums/114-...247994-will-2016-canyon-have-many-issues.html

 

I think the GM twins are at capacity production-wise. I highly doubt Toyota will lose sales crown but inevitably the Tacoma will have less market share. The main Colorado/Canyon engineer said she got 37 mpg on the highway for one long trip she did. Of course that means nothing but I think the diesel has potential to get great MPG. Again, judging by the coloradofans.com forum, I would still stay away from the GM mid sizers for QDR issues.

 

According to the GM press releases if they try to make any more Colorado/Canyon trucks then the workers will never leave the plant and start committing suicide like the iPhone slaves in China . Just a joke there but I've never seen a company up play how busy a plant is as much as GM is for the Colorado. I'm not saying it isn't true, but with GM press releases you have to take things with a grain of salt right?

The Tacoma already has less market share. It's hard to keep up 95% sales in the midsized class like what happened towards the end of last year. As Seers said though the midsized market is growing and Toyota is pretty close to capacity for the Tacoma as well. So more competition is good for this market. It's like the Nissan Murano, technically that thing had more than a few years with nothing else in the CUV class so it had 100% share of the market. Now it's second fiddle to other CUV's in terms of sales but it's still selling extremely well for Nissan. I think Toyota will work to stay top of the class in sales and quality with the Tacoma but I don't think they want to keep selling 95% of the small trucks on the market like they were not very long ago for a few months. I think Toyota wants a healthy midsized class because that might make the full sized class weaker, and let's face it, Toyota really belongs producing more Tacoma's and less Tundra's. Getting more people looking at mid sized trucks will mean more people looking at a Tacoma in a Toyota dealership and that's a good thing for Toyota for all of their lineup.

As for 37 mpg, I can get 30 mpg with my F150 with an 80 KPH wind behind me. I'm guessing that's what she meant. If the Colorado really gets that mpg, with the power rating it has, the true performance numbers will be abysmal. Probably just more GM press releases saving the world right ?

 

I read somewhere that the Duramax will only be offered in crew-cab short-bed configurations. Not sure if that is true but would stink it it were.

 

In other truck news, 2016 Ridgeline expected to debut by year end.

http://www.automobilemag.com/features/news/1506-2016-honda-ridgeline-spied-again/

http://news.pickuptrucks.com/2015/06/spied-2016-honda-ridgeline.html

More conventional look, doubtful for me unless it has low range and good ground clearance.

 

Makes sense if GM is not going to up charge several K for the engine. Maybe only a $3-$4K up charge now because they'll build in some of the price into the more expensive crew cab configuration.

 

Hmmm, at one point someone thought they were going to a unibody up front with a sub frame and box in the rear. Sort of a half Pilot half conventional truck. Those pictures look more unibody all the way to me with maybe a subframe but who knows. There isn't any separation between the box and cab. That doesn't speak well for any added offroad ability.

 

Pretty sure Ridgeline will be full unibody. No telling what share of the midsize segment it will grab but it will be appealing to some people. Fulltime AWD, Honda reputation, probably competitive pricing to the GM Twins and new Tacoma.

I couldn't find much info about a next generation of the Nissan Frontier, who knows if/when it will be available in North America.

 

The Colorado oil burner has everything I am looking for in a midsize (except a manual trans) willing to bet you can get a solid 34 hwy mpg out of it.

I don't think it will be short on power the Ecodiesel's 420 torque is nothing to shake a stick at, same with the GM's it is around the 360 mark,...from reading some of the posts on here, sounds like you young guys are all about drag racing from one red light to the next, some us old farts don't care about that, we want fuel economy. If GM was going to make a mistake it would be offering the diesel on higher trim levels. That is the one thing Ram did right, offering the diesel in the contractor truck trim. I can walk out today and buy a 4WD Ram ED for $30K, damn bargain to compared to the bedazzled urban cowboy editions running about...why did they spec it with a such a dismal payload is beyond me, that and their build quality blows, why Ram won't get my money, however that spec of truck is on the right track.

On one of the ecomodder forums, a guy is getting 43 mpg out of a Ram ED 2WD. TFL got 33 out of theirs on a short jaunt. The Collie will easily get 34...betting the new Taco will barely get 24 real world.

 

On the Ecodiesel forums how many guys spend more time on the road than in the the shop .

I'll be pleasantly surprised if the new Colorado averages 34 mpg. I have nothing against the Diesel. I just think aerodynamics favors numbers closer to 10% better than the Ecodiesel.

The payload specification, I've been told, is because they had issues in testing with reliability. Which has translated to real world issues even with lower numbers. This is what scares me most off a new Diesel. Why is GM now 6 months late releasing there Diesel in the Colorado? I suspect they've had similar emissions, exhaust, and durability issues that they are trying to hammer out.

BTW 90% of the people I know with the Lariat or Platniums actually farm lol. Maybe that's because I actually live around and work in Agriculture. I just got out of a corn field TBH checking for anything funny happening. Us normal folk just buy XLT's. The second to base trim usually comes with a nice appearance package and a few safety gadgets that are easily worth the few extra $$$$$.

 

I gotta hand it to GM for offering the Duramax though. People have been begging for one for years. They really have to spec it and price it right so people aren't tempted to cross shop down from a Silverado. That being said, a Duramax Colorado spec'd to the nines will probably cost more than a reasonably equipped Silverado 5.3 liter V8. Remember, GM get's the bulk of their profits from big pickups. The Sierra and Silverado combined sell more than the F-150. Technically the F-150 is still the best seller in the US but GM sells more overall full-size and general trucks.
It doesn't look like the Colorado/Canyon are cutting into full-size sales either. GM is selling more trucks now than the same time last year when the Colorado was not on dealer lots yet.

Another thing to note is that their mid-size is, unlike GM , is their best-selling pickup. Toyota has a decent amount at stake to not mess up the new Taco. It remains to be seen what the next Tundra will be like but it is possible that the Tundra will eventually outsell the Tacoma someday. Sales aren't that far apart.

 

On the right track except for it is a Chrysler product.

My buddy gets 32 constantly in his ED...now I have been wrong before, 34 easy out of the Collie is what I betting on.

The 3/4 ton coil sprung went down in payload too IIRC. For the 1/2, 1200 lbs is dismal, I expect that out of a Tacoma. Put a nice torquey engine in a 1/2 ton truck, and give a piss poor payload, that engineer needs his thumbs smashed with a 4lbs, sledge hammer.

2000# would of been ideal.

The engine has been proven overseas, however most of where the World version is sold is in warm climes...from what I read they are tinkering to adapt with our colder temps. The joint venture with Isuzu on their big Dura-Maxes are some of the best diesels out there, sure it will be fine.

I am not crazy about the DEF system, but that is the world we live in now.

I live smack dab in the middle of major farming here in Eye-dah-hoe, Hell, I look out my back yard at a corn field, and can walk to the rodeo grounds. Most of the farm trucks here are 2WD Tacos, or base model regular cabs from the big three.

Those bling models must be middle management, not for field work. I dunno, the bedazzled versions running around here don't look like the get used other than running to the grocery store and Keith Urban concerts.

 

Highway though right? I know three Ecodiesel owners. All get around 28 mpg combined town and highway.

All three also regret their purchase. I had one tell me he's going to a 3/4 ton though because his experience with Ram 1500 showed him that half tons can't tow 5000 lbs . He refuses to go for a ride towing in my Ford because his family are "Dodge people." It's sad.

Like I said, I was told Dodge had issues with the engine in tesing after adding on level III emissions hardware. The not just DEF, but a different EGR system as well. That effects the engine big time. I know the Duramax line is great internationally, but that doesn't mean anything once it's modified, tuned, and filtered to get it up to level III North American emissions.

I agree with you that most of the work trucks on the farm are cheapish. Usually up here they are whatever the owner can scrounge up at auction from the oil patch and given to foreign workers because they are going to shit kick it anyways.

One huge difference between Idaho and here, and I work in Potatoes so I've toured Idaho many times, is that Idaho is almost now all large corporate farms. 50,000 acre irrigation farms are the norm down there. Up here in Alberta 1,000-5,000 acre of irrigated family owned and run farms are still the norm. Less hired labour and more handons involvement. There is no middle management, just a farmer, maybe an Agronomist, and the hired help. The owner will usually have a quad or side by side for checking fields as well as a newer half ton. Since the farm is small he has one truck, so it may as well be nice enough to wash up and take to the bar too.

Those Lariats see work up here and still hold up well .

 

I can't say that I am huge fan boy of modern diesels, but the specs look damn nice for what I like to do, they'll haul loads like they are nothing...and get decent mileage to boot, both loaded and unloaded. I have been wanting a mid-size truck that gets in the 30 mpg range. For daily use and for those long trips I like to take.

Money-wise, believe you'll be splitting hairs in the end...depends on how long you keep it, me I plan on 10-15 years. I would spend the same amount of money on a lesser equipped truck for better fuel economy. For an example $35K buys a fairly nice Tacoma, that might get you a WT Diesel from GM. I would go with the GM.

I guessing GM will screw up and only offer the oil burner in higher trim models, crossing my fingers they don't.

Kinda crazy, the first time in 25 years of owning Toyotas, and I am not all that excited about the new one, and looking elsewhere...I used to not look at any other brand, couldn't get me to buy anything else for my personal vehicle.

 

Sierra and Silverado only outsell F150 if you include the 3/4 and full ton line up. F250 and F350 don't count in F150 sales but for some reason GM reports their larger trucks under the same badge. If you go off just half tons, Ford still hold #1 and has for a long time.

It's funny how those numbers get manipulated.

 

I'm not going to say that there are no problems with the Colorados/Canyons, there are but they are overblown on CF. They are in the first model year of the second gen after the first gen was a complete disaster so they have to work out a few kinks. Colorado Fans is a crap forum tbh. It's not a very social like TW is and god forbid you crack a joke, use a meme, or a curse word...

It is pretty much just a "how do I/insert problem here" forum with a bunch of people who have never owned a truck before. But I think that's the target market GM was going after so...

 

Go to 355 nation. It's more TWish. People still rant and rave about how bad the truck is though. If you check out the 2nd gen forum on Tacomaworld and compare the amount of "my truck is F'ed up in its first year" rants to 355nation, it's about 40:1 in favor of 355nation lol.

 

yes HWY, but still...28 is damn good for average mpg. I would say 95% of my driving is highway, so you can see why I am looking at it.

My buddy loves the mileage, but hates the truck. Good concept, but executed poorly. Maybe the GM will better, I dunno? But Toyota doesn't offer what I want, those bastards!

They surely could do it, their new gen. of diesels can meet the emission requirements, they are just being stubborn. Saying people would pay for it is rubbish, Hell, I got a glimpse of some of the prices for a trimmed out Taco...they are skirting around $40K for a midsize truck...people will pay it. For how popular 72-84 month loans are now, people don't even flinch at msrp, they just want ot be able to afford the payment.

Not me though, I am dirt bag knuckle dragger...I'll pay $30K though. Believe Toyota could hit that price point if they offered it in the B-Max package, (definitely dreaming there)

Well it is a Dodge, they have EGR issues with their gassers... They really need to get out of automotive industry...they continue to build crap.

Time will tell with the GM.

Seems like most of the corp ag, here in the Treasure Valley have fleets of base model Tacomas or Ford XL's...everything else it pretty rare.

Though the horse people have the bling editions, the ones that yank those highly polished mutli-stall horse trailers.