So Toyota is wussing out on the Engine, dang it. 270HP but add gearing

The hybrid Rav isn't even out yet. You are likely referring to the Highlander. The hybrid highlander was never meant for off-road. That doesn't mean electric and off-road can't work. Different design criteria.

 

The Highlander Hybrid (at least the first ones) didn't have a driveshaft. The rear wheels were powered by a separate electric motor. They were really only designed to be driven occasionally when there was a lack of traction. I think Toyota figured off road use would try to drive them too much, which was beyond what that motor was designed for.

Realistically, a Highlander is a soccer-mom vehicle which probably would never see much other than pavement anyway.

 

I had a 67 goat with the hurst package Nice car. Had a pal that had a rare 67 Ford Fairlane with lots of fiberglass body parts with a 427 in it. Another one of the pack had a 67 rat motor vett 430 hp. Fast ground shakers

 

Neither is the new tacoma but for some its already set in stone... buried... bye bye...cya.

I just want to test drive one before dumping cash on a new vehicle.

 

That is the key that destroys your argument. In the RAV4 (Or is it Highander, as Q pointed out?), such a system wouldn't be designed for those conditions.

My god...the sheer amount of logical fallacies you spout off. It's rather impressive you can keep it up.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBNxTSTMeII

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ra8OwiJ12JY

 

@BlueT

It's all in how you design the system. Of course something designed for the RAV4 isn't going to work well offroad. They didn't stick a set of motors in the back, just one piddly ass motor for AWD without enough power or control to do anything I described. If designed to handle the load the system I described would kick the shit out of anything available now offroad. You'd have a true rear locking system at all times, since each wheel would have it's own power, and gobs of torque from 0 RPM. You could even set up the system to allow you to spin the tires at unequal speed on turns to avoid the drawbacks of current locking differentials. With an electric motor at each rear wheel, the possibilities are endless. No one, except the military, has designed a hybrid system like I described from scratch for the application I described. It's simply to expensive right now. Give it 10-20 years.

A fucking Telsa smokes just about everything else off the line and it's motor is the size of your forearm! Imagine one of those at each wheel connected by a clutch pack that engages on demand. The power would be insane and with VFD (look it up, I'm tired of explaining shit to you with your grade 5 education) you can have power delivered directly to the wheel without a complicated gearbox. 2 speed gear boxes is all you'd need, at most, on each electric motor.

To act like Electric isn't the highest torque available per revolution is to act like a fool.

I love how this turned into another fight between guys who are stuck in the 70's and people who have moved on with the times. The extreme displacement V8 wasn't the beast people think it was once you realized how easily it gets smoked by a slightly modified modern low volume V8. People need to grow up and realize the technology is there to do better than an old dual carburetor dragster with a giant blower on top. Fuel injection, variable valve timing, computerized injectors, etc etc have made power from lower and lower displacements allowing for more HP per displacement with even greater efficiency.

 

What is old is new again...

http://blog.hemmings.com/index.php/2013/08/29/cars-of-futures-past-1966-gm-electrovan/




where is my damn nuke powered caaaaahr!?

http://www.damninteresting.com/the-atomic-automobile/

 

Electric cars predate gasoline to some extent. If you really dig into it it's very interesting to read about how internal combustion triumphed over electric drive over 100 years ago. It was partly due to the ease at which keep internal combustion vehicles running over long distances and partly because the fledgling oil companies wanted another avenue to sell fuel.

Now electric drive seems posed to overtake internal combustion. The big two issues remaining are; 1) finding an efficient and readily available means of storage (Lithium based batteries won't be able to meet demand) and 2) Finding a more environmentally friendly and efficient way to generate and distribute enough electricity to power all those batteries.

People in cities will buy purely electric models. People in the country will buy hybrid systems that are much more capable and efficient than the systems available today. That 1.4 L gas turbo engine I mentioned could get as high as 50% efficiency with better engine alloys, timing, and regenerative turbos. Diesels could get even higher but if the environmental impact drives the change gasoline will be the preferred fuel.

 

Yep, very interesting. Early vehicles were supposed to run on peanut oil


IIRC it was the germans (nazis) that had some the very first hybrid vehicles. A land train and something from porsche

 

Hey look.. 47 pages of nothing. Threads like these are whats wrong with world. JK.. kinda

 

*1960's Damm it .
1970's was a Polyester, disco & 4 cylinders everywhere. That was one fucked up decade.

 

effin' Toyota are being a bag of dicks for not releasing any "real" info...

...gotta pass the time somehow.

 

Yup.

Again, for anyone in Alberta, Toyota is having a launch event in August for the Tacoma in Cochrane. It sounds like it's part of the Tacoma tour so it probably won't have gobs of new information but it will be a lot more productive to sit in and possibly drive the 2016 than it is to shit on it with "facts" from the internetz.

Also a couple of different Youtube truck shows have mentioned a media event in mid August about the Tacoma that is invite only. That event could likely be where real numbers for this truck will be released.

 

Agreed!

I was looking for this, when I came across the electric chevy van again...


http://blog.hemmings.com/index.php/...-drops-stirling-engines-in-some-odd-vehicles/

http://blog.hemmings.com/index.php/2010/08/26/found-nasas-stirling-engined-dodge-d-150/

 

I know this isn't Tacoma related but the ram guys love the Cummings inline 6 because it gets way more torque than horse power and at first when people heard that the new Cummings was going to be a v8 ram owners freaked out but then realized it was going into the Titan I believe. I'm not going off of knowledge just going off of what I hear from guys I talk to on a day to day basis. When I had my old 91 Chevy s10 blazer I loved that thing with it having the 4.3 or 4.6 inline 6 in it, I can't remember which one it was. To me the thing was indestructible. Maybe an inline 6 would be appropriate for the Tacoma? Who knows? Me personally like inline 6 over a v6 but that is just my personal preference. But in the end I do love my 4.0L gen 2 and don't have any plans on upgrading unless there is a huge outbreak of numbers that change and of course if the VW diesel truck comes to America or Tacoma brings a diesel here. Just my petty 2 pennies lol.

 

Inline 6 engines are longer than v8 engines. There just isn't room in the Tacoma engine bay for a 4ish L I6 engine. If Toyota wanted the stats of an I6 they would of went with a V8.

Ram owners freaked out over the V8 Cummins because I6 is the norm for 90% of Diesel applications. V8 Diesels do exist and run just fine. Ram owners are scared of any engine change because the only thing that works for any amount of time in their trucks is the Cummins.

 

I was just making a statement that's all. And you say 90% of applications use i6. Speaking of normal everyday person trucks, ford, Chevy are v8 diesels not I6 that's why ram owners love their trucks and their I6 that's why they freaked out when they said Cummings was changing to v8 but that was to go into a different truck. I have a lot of ram owners that live and die ram so I know they love their I6 and don't want a v8. I know Tacoma won't change their platform I was making conversation.

 

Some say that the Dodge is a shipping crate for the Cummins...