Another AR-15 noob

Ok. Then I will go with that one then. One more question, what's does it mean when a buffer has 5 or 6 position? I was looking around and reading some other forums and only found what people prefer.

 

The so called buffer tube (reciever extension) has notches for length of stock (positions) adjustment!

 

Okay. I understand that now. And I was referring to the receiver extension when I said buffer. I keep mixing the names of everything up. Thanks for your input. I'll continue my research and let you guys know what I decide on.

 

I think you're overthinking things that aren't as important which will happen if you get caught up doing too much 'research' before your first built. Just make sure if you go commercial tube that you get a commercial stock. I recommend going Milspec and make sure your stock components are milspec so they all fit together. Other than that, start ordering parts. The more you focus on individual parts the more you will justify spending more on some whiz-bang component that will serve only to increase your build price w/o adding much value during use. Just build a rifle. Get out and shoot the thing. Within time you will realize what needs to be replaced and why plus you will have enough hands on time to know exactly what it is you're looking for. I see all these pristine AR15's all over the 'net that look like they've never been shot with thousands worth oh shit hanging off of it that makes them the opposite of 'High speed, low drag' and I just SMH. Don't be that Rob Lowe.

 

Get a Timney single stage trigger they are one piece and amazing i think i have 3lb
as for uppers go LARUE they are the best i have had so many AR Daniel Defense is really good too but i promise you well be very happy with LARUE i shoot every week and leaned towards that one.
so ya a la rue stealth Upper and sjc titan suppressor you will be in heaven my man it is amazing how well you really stay on target and the accuracy is nuts

edit- if you get the stealth upper it comes with a really nice buttstock and grip also and they give you freebies i.e hat, dry rub, stickers, bottle opener lol all kinds of goodies

 

...and right on time.

This post is exactly what I'm talking about about spending WAY too much on parts you don't even know if you need. The trigger he's talking about is 3x more than the trigger you asked about. Is it 3x better? Nope. If I was going to spend a couple hundred on a Timney I'd save my money and get one of the Geissele triggers. That being said, if this is your first AR15 you will be worlds ahead just doing the ALG trigger over a standard trigger. Larue makes good shit for sure but I wouldn't categorize them as 'the best' as that's an awfully subjective statement in the AR15 arena. You could get a BCM upper for instance that will be about half as much as the Larue Stealth that he recommends and it will be every bit as good of a shooter if not better. With AR15's some things are worth spending more on. Most aren't.

 

I Understand your concern but i have had Geissele and Timney i prefer Timney . Guns always hold value i have had crappy $500 complete AR and $2000 ones and you are insane if you think you cant tell the difference, Standard triggers that come with AR's are crap i am sure any single stage is nice but with Timney the customer support is amazing. But since it is your first AR you might not want to spend that much i understand i went cheap for my first ones and i ended up selling them.. But also remember good optics is gonna cost more then your gun also lol and like i said i have shot so many different barrels and i like LARUE but now if you start with that you will never know what a shitty one feels like. all in all i dont wanna argue or get flamed on this is my personal opinion i have had 10+ different AR's and fell in love with the LARUE.

its like buying a spacer lift for your taco... why not do it right the first time guns hold value!!

 

I never said you can't tell the difference between ANY $500 AR15 and ANY $2000 AR15. Your statements are too broad to even take serious. There's more to rifles than price.

10+ different AR's and you think that Larue is the best? Ok. I'm curious to know your lineup of 10 that has Larue the best in the face of the earth.

I'm also curious which model triggers you had between the two makers that you compared.

You also say you have 'shot so many different barrels and like Larue' but you do realize that Walther has made their tubes since about 2011, right? They don't make their own blanks and you can actually get these barrels from other manufacturers. You can also get more accurate barrels from other manufacturers if that's what your interested in. Bottom line, your rifle isn't a POS but it's not the greatest thing since sliced bread the way you come in here attempting to make it sound.

Listen OP, you're going to get a dozen different guys who probably spent too much money for their setup that will post about how it's the best on the face of the earth. Most times it's to further convince themselves that they made the right purchase. Take what you read with a grain of salt because everyone thinks theirs is the best and 8/10 it's overpriced marketing.

 

Sorry but like i said i don't wanna argue about an opinion its a waste of time i was just trying to help and sometimes my typing is atrocious.

Ive had 3 DPMS oracles bone stock no upgrades-- sold all 3 worked great nvr jammed
2 from ROHG was a mistake got when sandy hook tragedy happened and it was only thing available during the gun scare. 1 was a 18" spiral fluted 1 was 20" stainless steel the 18" had a polymer FMK lower dam thing always jammed and had problems the 20" had a FMK lower also it was ok just never shot accurate.
2 Franklin arms aluminum lowers 2 Daniel defense uppers.
1 complete NOVESKE
1 spikes lower 1 Daniel defense upper
1 complete smith n Wesson
1 LARUE Stealth with a franklin lower
hmm i think that's it.. oh ya had a rock river upper also that ones nice too

Now mixin and matching those up Ive had a Timney skeletonized and a Timney competition trigger and cant tell a difference other then looks
with Geissele ive tried out the 2 stage G2S as well as the sd-e they were great triggers but i had one fail and go full auto on me and Gessele was no help at all that is why i went Timney i started Geissele but there customer service ticked me off.

And yes you are 100% correct that there is only so many barrels but a lot of people just put a stamp on it and mark it up as well as all gun parts only very few manufactures but a million different sellers that put there mark on it.

 

BCM upper, PSA/spikes lower is a good start and Geissele trigger if you want. Call it a day.

*BCM has BCG and charging handle for $69 when you buy one of their uppers as well.

 

Out of your entire list the complete Noveske rifle is the only one I would recommend. It's Tier 1 and probably more than the OP is looking for at this point. Larue makes solid stuff as does Daniel Defense. The rest is trash (or inferior at best) that I generally tell close friends to avoid for various reasons.

As to your Geissele issue, you most likely bump fired your SD-E as it's easy to do. It can't go full auto and was likely more to do with your technique if it was unintended. Do a full function check and you will likely find that the FCG is functioning properly and either you or the rifle (if your receiver extension to stock contact doesn't lock-up solid) or maybe both is performing an ever-so-slight bump fire which is all it takes with that trigger. You won't even notice it until it fires again, and again and again. Solid technique and using the included stiffer (gold) trigger spring will help to prevent this. If you read the instructions all of this is fully explained and shouldn't be a mystery. The SD-E is a competition trigger that is designed for the exacting shooter that is willing to invest time setting it up and getting the feel for it and the learning curve is steep. This isn't a drop it in an fire solution and shouldn't be treated as such or the end-user will be disappointed. There are plenty of models to choose from from Geissele that more fit the role required of them.

As to their customer service, you're literally the first person I've ever heard say something negative about Geissele's customer service. I'm not saying it didn't happen as I'm sure someone will eventually slip through the cracks no matter how good your customer service. I would however question if you did everything in your power to make sure you were in contact with the proper person to handle things or that you did everything in your power to allow them to assist you. I've used Timney, Geissele and countless others and if I'm spending $200+ on a FCG it's going to be a Geissele. That's just me. Again, for the OP, the ALG is a wonderful option and represents a significant improvement over standard GI trigger at a minimal cost to meet confines of his stated budget.

I don't doubt that the rifle you recommended offered you your best performance. I just question recommending a $1200 upper to someone on a budget looking for their first rifle. Like I said, if he bought the BCM at nearly half the cost he would likely get the same performance or better and that money could be better spend on ammo & training which will yield far better results on ANY rifle. The problem is, as you've just admitted, it's your opinion and you came in presenting your opinion as fact. Saying that the Larue Stealth upper is the best upper the OP can buy is being presented more as a fact. Had you said 'I really like...' then that's a different story. The Larue Stealth upper is NOT the best upper available and doesn't seem to fit the topic of this thread at all.

 

I second all of this aside from the Spike's recommendation. For those that don't know Spikes gouged dealers back during the scare of the 2008 election cycle. They increased cost on their lowers substantially and then forced ma and pa shops to take the number of lowers they stated or they would lose the ability to sell any of their parts. People talk about price gouging all the time with individual sales of private owners which you can walk away from but to leverage your business relationship is just wrong. Now that is price gouging. Ever since then I have made it a point to never buy anything with the name Spikes on it and with the high number of quality offerings from other manufacturers I've never felt the need to even consider it. In this industry you support those that support you and thankfully there are plenty of manufacturers out there that do so so we don't have to reward bad behavior. Do as you want but I'll continue to take care of those who take care of those within the hobby and not take advantage of them at times of perceived crisis.

 

You are well spoken and seem to have a ton of knowledge on this fact you win =) like i said i was trying to help and did not realize he was looking for a budget build. i should have not used "best" should have used "my favorite" and you do not like franklin armory? and the rock river with wyld barrel? but yes the rest is trash...
Happy Trails

 

Meh, I don't know about winning being the goal here as I just want to make sure he's sent off in the right direction. I see way too many people who are new to building rifles waste all kinds of money on parts that will do them no good moving forward when they could have a complete rifle that they're actually able to shoot & train with.

While I don't have anything specifically wrong with Franklin Armory I lump them in the category of the other thousands of 'rifle builders' who roll their mark on a lower and then mark it up and sell it. Personally, I stick with the manufacturers that have been around for a while, have been battle tested and thrived in those situations and have a name well-known among those who know no matter where you are.

Rock River used to be quality but you'd have to go back over a decade to find a time when that was. QC has fallen off greatly and they just rely on their name and a bunch of old farts telling young kids to 'Always remember: A, B & C... Advanced Armament, Bushmaster & Colt' and then RRA usually gets tossed in there too. You can throw a Wylde barrel on anything so why RRA?

 

To be honest im new to this game my Dad and i have only been at it about 4 years now and most of these guns are his but i shoot them all and was with him the whole way on purchases he wanted the RRA.
and just realizing quality ammo makes a huge difference for tight groupings now we reload lol all of are shooting is target shooting from 100-600 yards.
you are actually teaching me some at this point good info man sorry if i was being a dick.

 

No need for apologies. When I said to take what you read with a grain of salt on the internet I meant for you to lump me into that category too. Nobody knows everything so it's very important that you come to your own conclusions taking the info into account that you read online. Lots of internet commandos who have never even fired a rifle will tell you that their product XYZ is the best when they've never even used the damn thing. Sometimes there are lots of them and they're all in agreement so it can look like the best solution. lol

 

...agree that the ALG trigger is a good choice... i'd also recommend getting a pre-built upper as that takes the barrel assembly part of the equation out of it... put whatever handguard/rail you want on it... get the special wrench for the castle nut that secures receiver/buffertube, or better yet, get a castle-nut free tube and you won't have to debate whether "to stake... or not to stake" ): http://primaryweapons.com/wp/shop/pws-enhanced-buffer-tube/

 

I liked your previous post, but here you're doing the same thing as slippery. Spike's offers a quality lower that fits the OPs needs for around $100, and that quality lever seems to be regularly well regarded at that price. To not recommend it based on their business practices is your opinion, and not factually based on their quality level. Otherwise to your posts.

 

If you can get the same quality lower for the same (or lower) price from a company that actually cares about and supports the industry, why wouldn't you? As a community we need to inform each other on the crooked business practices of those who we buy from so we can let our buying dollar speak to the fact that we won't tolerate it. They're dishonest, have been on numerous occasions and it's been well documented across the internet. No reason to support people like that. None. This holds especially true when you can buy the exact same thing for the same price or less.

If that's not good enough for you their stupid logo has two dicks in it.

 

Since this thread started, I've pumped over 1000 rounds through my bone stock Bushmaster Predator....love it!

• It always goes BOOM when I pull the trigger
• I've never jamed
• It's one of the most accurate rifles I own/have shot.

I'm agreeing with Ostrichsak - stop over thinking this and build something basic and shoot the crap out it it.

Just my 2 cents.