The Colorado will be available in diesel

You get the advantage of the diesel economy with the power. Diesel is finally cheaper than gas again. I don't care how many cylinders it has, I care about torque and HP output. Diesels are NOT slower than gas engines. That's myth left over from the 70s and 80s before turbos were standard. You should see the HP and torque numbers for diesels today. What you don't save in fuel costs you'll make up for when you sell that diesel as it will have a premium over a gas engine. If you never sell it, then your saving for fuel over the lifetime will outweigh the higher cost of the diesel engine.

Lastly, I just like options.

 

Well, back of the napkin calculations are showing me that with our outrageous CA gas prices and decent diesel prices ($3.70 and 2.85 respectively) you would need to drive about 50k for the diesel to pay off. I personally am a big fan of diesels, because it is the superior fuel

My 3/4 ton Silverado with a Duramax and an Allison gets over 23mpg highway, and can tow 11,000 lbs gladly.

 

We all need to stop the hate and pray that these sell like hot-cakes. BECAUSE this is what Toyota will use as an excuse to not develop a mid-size truck w/ a diesel in the US.

Toyota will then forever use the "See! The canyon totally flopped as a diesel in the US! Why would we ever bring the hilux diesel over there?"

This is a huge moment for us compact-mid size truck owners who want over a diesel option.

 

Another thing that people aren't really thinking about is the availability of quality fuel.... It is a HELL of a lot easier to find acceptable diesel than it is to find acceptable gasoline in remote areas. Roll up to a gas station in bumfuck nowhere and have no fear about the diesel you're putting into your rig. Gasoline? Yeaaaaaa, that's sketch.

 

The diesel has a timing belt......Forget gm and forget the emissions bs.

 

This right here. While it might not make much sense to us. Hope and pray the average Joe laps it up... Cus the competition is needed.

And fuck these ca gas prices... Sitting at lunch currently and I look over and see this...

 

Just curious, if you could have your exact truck with 30% better fuel economy and 40% better torque, but it would be diesel, would you do it? What's your reasoning?

 

That's Just like, your opinion, man...

 

I like diesel trucks because they come with turbos... and you can tell diesels to screw emissions and go fast if you want!

 

I don't need to impress my fellow bros in the UH parking lot.

 

Definitely some good points - urea is the worst. Fuel availability is also key. I would disagree about the cost to maintain though. If you're going to own the vehicle for the long haul, a diesel is definitely going to outlast a gasser. They have fewer parts to go wrong and IME need less random stuff than gassers, because they are generally built tougher (although our tacos are pretty damn reliable).

Dollar for dollar I don't know which is cheaper. All I know is that if you buy a gas truck and you really wish you had a diesel, you'll spend more in the long run when you pay dealer fees/sales tax to get the diesel truck to satisfy your urges.

 

If I can get all the free fryer oil I can burn and 50% (because winter) of the fuel I burn in a year is grease - I could recoup the cost in 2 years (not 1).

 

Ever hear the saying "You can prove anything by statistics except the truth". See the 30% number you quote is misleading , yes you are getting 30% better mpg ( the number varies but I pin it closer to 15-20%), but , and there is always a but, that increase in MPG comes at 20% increase in cost. Soooo its really closer to 5-10% better mpg . The average person drives between 10k-12K a year. If you fall below or anywhere in that relm you are buying a diesel not because of mpg, and if you are , well you arent saving any money! The people that buy the jetta tdi's over the standard jetta's, they are getting bent over. The payback on the tdi is an insane 9 years on average! Yeah yeah torque this torque that, its nice for sure, but its really only needed when towing or quoting on message boards.

 

For most people the cost of maintenance will be slightly higher on a Diesel simply because they tend to have a higher oil capacity. Also, in my area, you need to run synthetic in the winter or else cold starts when you forget to plug in won't work. Lastly, maintenance wise, Diesels have that nasty extremely high PSI fuel system that can go terribly terribly wrong if you didn't strain that french fry oil perfectly or something else went wrong with filtration which is a minimum $1500 repair, and likely more than that, to fix.

If you are figuring out your dollar for dollar cost on Diesel versus Gas I'd recommend stepping back and driving each. For most people Diesel won't pay if the prices stay like they have historically. For those who drive extreme distances maybe that math is worth it but for most of us it is not.

 

I still think it's funny that people talk about all the free fuel out there. 90% of the fry oil goes through big restaurants or fry plants that already get paid to have there oil taken away by large recycling companies and won't give you any oil. For the small places you are talking about maybe 10 gallons a week of oil available. Oh, and to get that oil working you'll need to crack it by heating it and strain it perfectly or risk screwing up the fuel system over time. Not to mention that most Diesel certified plastic fittings can't handle more than 20% biofuel or they will degrade over time.

All in all unless I owned a restaurant, and maybe you do, and I was willing to risk running a potentially damaging fuel in my new $40K truck I would not factor in "free" fuel.

The funny thing is if we end up like Europe where they've put a road tax on Canola oil because of all the re purposing of fryer oil. That would be funny.

 

You best have some loot saved to pay for the conversion . Heard it runs anywhere from 2K-3K for parts and labor, in addition to the upcost of the diesel engine. Sounds good in theory but running vegetable oil is a real bitch and not a game changer. Congealing issues, clogged filters, f'd cats, the list is never ending.

 

I am pretty good at math - I think I have it figured out. Did you see the previous pic of a CA gas station sign? Diesel is over a gallon cheaper here. Diesel vehicles are about 30% more fuel efficient. That means that if you drove one truck that gets 20MPG on gas and one vehicle that gets 26MPG on diesel both for 12k miles in a year, the diesel would save you (in fuel costs) $1,000 a year. Of course, fuel prices change as does everything, but at the moment that's the level of savings you would see.

 

I already have an oil source, but I am playing devils advocate. Fryer oil isn't going to save me or the world.

A good friend uses the same source. He has fun with it, but I won't be doing it.

 

Don't count on cheaper Diesel. The economy is in the shits world wide so shipping is down and the USA is producing a shit ton of oil from new technologies which has drove down the cost of Diesel to the lowest against gas I've seen it in a while. Those conditions aren't going to last long term.