3rd Gen Concerns

I have a 2nd gen tool bag and reading your posts you're definitely a d-bag, your opinion means little to me or your stupid a** uneducated comments of little value or worth.

 

For 2 guys who hate the 3rd Generation so much. they sure spend a lot of time here. LOL

 

Enjoy watching you guys make stupid arguments, statements or circle jerk about trucks you've never seen, owned or have currently and are willing to line up and pay retail/msrp for.

 

So what colour are you getting?

 

touche, I bought my dream taco last december, but thank you, I will be excited to see you guys mod and discover nuisances, etc with new truck, just like the 05 guys did for the 2nd gen guys, pioneers. if you read my posts the only hate is on the front end, I just point out the carried over stuff or stuff some of you guys seem to overlook or turn a blind eye to. Not calling BlueT out, he deserves a bit of respect, he's been here a long time and has a good amount of knowledge, but he definitely has a hate for the new truck on every level. I also give it shared credit where it deserves like the interior, crawl control, etc. To each their own though.

 

The 2016 doesn't have to be a heck of a lot better as long as it's equally reliable. If they kept selling the old model it would still out sell the cheapo Colorado for the next ten years.

 

Speaking of drum brakes; Toyota knew long ago that these trucks were not going to tow heavy weights but owners wanted toughness. For off road, the protected and enclosed nature of drum brakes makes lots of sense. Most of the braking on the front so heating up is not an issue. So, while the discs on back look better, they aren't necessarily better given the use a Taco gets.

 

Not heavy tow trucks but I think it should be able to tow my 3000 lb camper without being a little bitch.

 

Ok I see the quotes you posted agree that disc brakes are better people just dont think they worth it
Which is exactly what I was saying before>
"Disc brakes are better, but cheap companies dont want to install them"
So we agree here. You just dont want to call cheap A$$ companies, a cheap...

So the beginning of your post runs against 4th bullet.
Unless you telling me that you dont believe that disc brakes are better than drum?
Would I be suprise ? No not surprised at all that there are many people who dont think they need Disc brakes, despite the fact that scientist had proven that Discs are better.
Disc brakes are natural evolution of braking system, and I know how many people dont like evolution here...

 

Better means many different things. Cheaper is better. Longer lasting is better. Easier maintenance is better. Resistance to heat buildup is better.
All these things and many more make something better depending on the eye of the beholder, yet many of the those qualities are mutually exclusive to each other.

Disk brakes on the rear of a pickup are an answer to a question that didn't need to be asked and an expense that is completely unnecessary. Just like bottled water is "better" than tap water but both drink the same depending on where you are at. The expense is not needed in many cases.

Disk brakes on the rear of my BMW M3? Yep want them. Disk brakes on the rear of a pickup? Don't effing care. Don't make me pay extra for them. I don't need a complicated and unreliable emergency brake that gets dirty and gummed up for the sake of braking performance that goes nowhere near it's limits.

The evolution argument is stretching it way too far. There are many "advancements" that don't make it into everyday use because they are unnecessary, expensive, complicated, and flat out don't improve anything. Disk brakes on the rear of non racing vehicles fit every one of these. Maybe everyone should be bitching and moaning at Toyota because the next gen Tacoma doesn't offer a hybrid option. Clearly hybrid technology is better and is the natural evolution of vehicles. Tacoma needs to have it and anyone that doens't think so is anti evolution.

 

@BlueT I found your battle song:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2H5uWRjFsGc

 

We could go on for hours on this so instead I am just going to post a study made by NHTSA and tests they conducted for Drum vs Disc brakes on 18 wheelers...
According to that study Discs are way better, not only on sport vehicles but trucks too.
Math is there, physics are there. I wonder if Seatbelt bracket Mike from Toyota had seen that study before he decided on putting drums back on Tacoma.
Also
Tacoma is the only vehicle that has wierd ABS problem that everybody fight with in winter...
Tacoma also is the only vehicle with drum brakes on the rear... Hmmm I wonder...

 

My Canadian 2012 DCLB is made in Texas.

 

Why post an 18 wheeler study in a Tacoma argument? TBH on Semi's the biggest advantage of discs is the lack of fade or loss of contact with the pads when they heat up a bit, unlike drums. That makes discs far safer if someone isn't paying attention and has to use their brakes on a downhill. On the other hand, if you overheat a disc on a semi you can crack the disc and experience a total failure of the rotor. If the rotor flies apart it can take out airlines and leave you with less than half of your brakes. If that happens to your trailer brakes you will not have a good time on a downhill and may as well of had drums.

So what I'll say, and I'm sure you'd agree, is that on 18 wheelers discs are much safer 99% of the time. The other 1% of the time there is a chance of a colossal failure with lethal results.

Again though, you can't really compare a semi to the Tacoma for a lot of reasons I'm sure you know since you have your commercial license. All or nothing air brakes, heavy loads, etc etc...

As for the Tacoma being the only vehicle with rear drums I'm sure you know that's not true. Many entry level cars come with rear drums and, until 2014, so did the GM half tons. Could the ABS issue be related to the brakes? Sure. It's more than likely a programming glitch though.

I truly understand peoples frustration with the rear brakes on the Tacoma. They don't look sexy and all of the other similar vehicles now have discs. It's kind of like being the last man running the old iPhone when everyone has the new iPhone. The truth is though that drums on the rear could lock up the rear just as well as discs. Any differences in stopping differences, unless we are talking with a trailer, would be small with a tiny disc brake in the rear. Toyota did likely go to drums because it's cheaper and effective enough not to warrant a drum back there. If you hate them for that, fine.

 

http://www.edmunds.com/car-technology/brakes-drum-vs-disc.html

 

Over 10 years old but accurate.

Toyota clearly went with rear drums to save money. I don't think anyone is arguing that. However if the Tacoma did have rear discs it wouldn't make much difference anyways, so who cares. It also saves the consumer some money.

As I've mentioned before, I remember in the 2000's thinking all my vehicles were shit because I didn't have the 4 wheel disc brake model. Then I grew up a bit and realized unless I was towing a ton of weight it made zero difference to my driving experience. Not to mention all the rear rotors I've replaced from rocks getting stuck in the rear discs on gravel roads on my work trucks. So, overall, discs or drums in the rear make no difference to me in 99% of situations. Like the one poster said, on a 3/4 ton I want to tow 20,000 lbs with or a sports car I'm going to do track times with a good set of discs in the rear is critical. On a Tacoma, meh.

 

I see so we ditch science and substitute reality with our own ?

 

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