3rd Gen Concerns

Ok provide a scientific study that is relevant to your point than? Whatever that point is ?

 

Not getting into the argument, but BlueT do you have a study that shows that on a light truck with front 4 piston caliper front brakes there is a significant reduction in braking distance with the use of discs in the rear over drums?

Because a study on Semis with all discs or all drums doesn't translate directly to the original topic here.

 

Still waiting for your list of vehicles from 1981 that have rear disks. Getting tired of repeating myself to you.

 

DUCK PICS!!!

 

Are ford trucks the best trucks because they sell the mostest of them? LOL

 

Yes.

 

Ths is the post that started all

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NHTSA report proves that he is wrong wrong wrong..
He repeated that junk to others and tried defending it. Still waiting for his scientific proof. that

 

Your NHTSA does not prove anything about braking distances. It only proves that vehicles with shorter braking distances cause less accidents. You didn't read the report correctly.

The braking distances are assumptions in the study. Where they got those IDK or care to investigate where they got them because it doesn't matter, they weren't the ones to prove the numbers and it wasn't something they (da PH'D you love so much) were questioning.

It doesn't matter because the braking distances were held constant across test takers, and only varied the different braking distances once the scenarios played out. They were testing the differences in driver behavior.

It also only relates to semi trucks.

In a simulator.

Notice how my post says cars and your report is about semis. You're inferring something incorrectly.

The fact that you didn't apply your own argument correctly doesn't mean that I have to find someone else to show you how you were wrong in applying your own arguement.

 

OK, moving on....

5) Cheap looking interior. I hope it looks better in person, but it reminds me of what they did with the 4Runner 5th Gen - it seems much cheaper and hard plastics than the 4th Gen.

 

I have a couple of questions about the differences between disc and drum brakes

1. Who really gives a shit if a mid sized truck has drums or discs if you will be using it for its intended use?

2. If you guys changed your tampons would which brakes work better still bother you as much?

Go take some midol and chill the fuck out.

 

When I was in the 3rd gen a few weeks ago I liked the feel. Yes, the dash is hard plastic. The buttons feel solid though and have a good tactile feel. The center console is smaller but, again, a softish rubber IIRC. The radio is basically a capacitance screen with some dials so it feels like an iPhone/iPad. What is much better is the doors. While they have some hard plastic, the texturing is good and the arm rest is a very nice cloth material that covers a good 25% of the door going up to the window sill. Much better than the 2nd gen vinyl. The seats are a decent cloth material that reminded me of the seats in my Juke a few years back. The entire cab basically feels like it was redone to provide more usable space in the same area. While the back seats are mostly the same the front feels much bigger and a lot more modern. I liked it.

 

I think the general consensus is that the interior was done well. I think it looks sharp. The exterior is what brings the controversy. I would say the exterior is not even polarizing because I have not seen anyone really stoked about the it. Most either hate it, or don't mind it enough to dissuade them from perhaps purchasing one. I am part of the latter, not former.

 

I am with you on this. The interior options are what puts it over the edge for me. I can deal with the exterior. Im not in love with it but I can learn to accept it.

 

The old disc vs drum brake.....Toyota has officially said through thier 2016 model presentations that the drum brakes well enough to take advantage of it's better off road durability. I can tell you from one experience after returning fron one rocky excursion that my disc shields were all bent to shit on fron and scraping the discs on one side while the back drums, except for a scape or two, functioned perfectly. I just cut off the lower thirds of the shields but other then protection from mud...they are usless. The drums are much sturdier. IMHO, they make an excellent brake for the LSD as they require less force to activate. Advantage...drum brakes. Really...Toyota doesn't save much using drums instead of discs in the rear.

 

My 1993 Buick Century had drum brakes....and that thing was a huge POS. Drum brakes in 2015 have no place. Ask literally every single other serious offroad vehicle. FJ anyone? I'm not buying this cost cutting BS

 

Unbelievable. You said it yourself:

Superior heat dissipation: discs
Superior modulation: discs

That's what brakes are *for*. Brakes with superior heat dissipation will brake harder for longer, which the number one priority, especially from a high speed, with a load, or down a long hill. The current Tacoma brakes fade, because drums suck at the very thing they are there for: braking.

I have driven everything from race cars to hard core off road vehicles, and anyone who argues that drum brakes are superior doesn't know what they are talking about, and/or is trying too hard to defend a vehicle. If you were right, people would be swapping Land Cruiser and Wrangler discs to drums. They aren't, because no one *ever* swaps discs for drums.

And FYI - they are called "discs," not "disks".

 

Let's let Google settle this:

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=disc+brake+conversion
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=drum+brake+conversion

Every single link on both searches is about swapping drums for discs. And yet fanbois still argue because Toyota PR told them to. Classic.

 

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I will spell it any fucking way I want. To think that it invalidates my position is a logical fallacy.

Braking harder, for longer, is not needed, if the WHAT YOU CALL INFERIOR DRUM brake will stop the vehicle from normal speeds under normal operation without fading. Which they do. Why don't you get some 20" wheels so you can throw some 15" disks in the front of your taco because CLEARLY a larger disk will dissipate heat better and give you better stopping? CAUSE YOU DON'T need it. If you think you do you're a fool.

I didn't say drums were superior. Why does everyone keep saying that. I am just saying that disks ON THE MUTHAFUCKING REAR are NOT FUCKING NECESSARY like you think they are. IDC if all the OEMS are offering them on everyday vehicles that dont need them (REAR DISKS) nor deserve them. They offer them because that's what PEOPLE THINK THEY WANT. Why dont you go back and see where I said that before.

And I seriously doubt you've had an experience of your Tacoma brakes fading. I call bullshit on that. If they did you faded the fronts. Because you probably have shitty brake fluid in your brakes. Or you have air in your lines. Because you've probably never bled your brakes properly. Or you rode your brakes on a large downhill like a dumbass. But I still think it hasn't happened.

I'm not defending toyota. I'm calling out you tech fanboi's who think you need something on a vehicle that you don't and YOUR sides use of bullshit arguments that you make up out of thin air. So I will use liberal sarcasm and point out the flaws in your logic and your references.

If you want to have a civil discussion on the virtues of car design without BEING A FANBOI yourself then we can do that, but it's clear that anyone who wishes to engage with me chooses to misquote my position, fail to address the points being made, and take some of the things I say out of context. You were late to the party now here you are.

You should get a Brawndo sticker for you car. You need to drink it. Its got what your body craves.

You wanna rag on Toyota and threaten not to buy a new Tacoma that's your right. Just as it's my right to say that you people that think you need rear disks on the REAR MUTHAFUCKING axle of a light duty vehicle doing LIGHT DUTY things is a completely unnecessary demand.

And guess what. I don't even have to be right because Muricah. But I am.

 

Just because they are popular doesn't make them better. What is the purpose that people are doing this to their vehicles? There is a shitton of people that mod the shit out of their vehicles and many of those mod's are of questionable need.

All you've proved is that a shitton of people want disk brakes for some reason. You think this is dispute? I don't think anyone is arguing the contrary.

It was said better a little bit ago, that you have to understand the difference between causation, correlation, and coincidence. When you think something is better than something else but you can't define HOW it's better, or your think it's because of a certain feature but can't prove why and that it's not because of some other feature that you didn't consider, YOUR ARGUMENT is bullshit.

Otherwise I think the new colorado beat the tacoma in braking test because the paint chevy used provides more air friction and hence better braking.

You young guys are very funny to watch when you get into vehicles because you're so desperate to add crap to your cars and the parts stores and OEMs are so happy to comply. Look at how many cars come with stupid air deflectors on the trunk...look at all the boyracers who add the wings to their trunks...and people will argue till they are blue in the face about downforce and all that bullshit. Still the air deflectors remain unnecessary in all but the most extreme of circumstances.

Hey imag.

Hybrid technology is superior. So are laser beams. So is lane departure warning. Maybe you need to have them on YOUR car and should throw a hissy fit if someone tells you you dont need it.

Maybe you need to wait until everyone else is doing it and then feel left out.

You show me a drum brake that's adjusted properly that won't lock up the wheel at any speed and maybe then I'll think about whether a disk brake is needed in that application. Otherwise cost and complexity still matter.

It still blows my mind that there are some ignorant people here that claim they know race cars and offroad cars and cars in general yet they know nothing about difference in brake lining composition and tire tread compound and tread design and only concern themselves with trivia type details they read in a sales brochure. Some racing type brake pads take significant heating before they grab hard enough. Until they get hot you can stand on the brake pedal and not get the ABS to come on. Some brake pads grip extremely well initially but gas off and lose grip when hot. Sticky tires don't last for shit but have immense traction, but people often never get a chance to compare side to side because they buy the cheapest, they buy the longest lasting, and only buy tires every 4-5 years or so even if they do compare stopping distance its its between a half bald hardened old tire and a nice new one.

 

All the people that live in the Northern states will enjoy having drum brakes. We do rear brakes on the 4runner, Camry, Prius, ect. as low as 10k miles. Just had a 14 Camry with 14k needing rear brakes. Ive seen Tacomas with 200k on the original rear shoes.