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Discussion in '3rd Gen. Tacomas (2016-2023)' started by Tj0hn, Aug 14, 2015.

  1. Aug 14, 2015 at 12:32 PM
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    chris4x4

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    Im not a frame engineer, so it all depends on how the engineers designed the loading. Torsional stiffness might sound like a good thing to advertise about, but how does this translate into load bearing, and towing capabilities? In the video you posted, clearly the Ford frame flexes more, but it is also further up the ramp. Kinda makes me question if the test was weighted one way or another.
     
  2. Aug 14, 2015 at 2:16 PM
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  3. Aug 14, 2015 at 2:53 PM
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  4. Aug 14, 2015 at 3:05 PM
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    I'm going to have my QC team take a photo of a bolt and tell me if the torque is correct. That's how BlueT would do it. SMH.
     
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  5. Aug 14, 2015 at 5:02 PM
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    Toyota once again rocked BlueT's world again...I wonder how damaged BlueT is on the inside now from all this 3rd gen'ness' going on?
     
  6. Aug 15, 2015 at 10:44 AM
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    This is exactly what you want. The whole "stiff bedframe = tuff" is a dumb marketing gimmick. It reminds me of Mad Men when they create an ad campaign where they say of their tobacco, "its toasted." And the tobacco exec says, "No shit, that's how you make tobacco. Every company 'toasts' their tobacco." And Draper says something about how dumb the consumer is and how now other companies won't be able to use the word toasted, they'll have to say "we cook ours too" or "we heat ours up" which sounds horrible in comparison. They won't say anything, they'll just have to accept the customer thinking, Lucky Strike is the only brand that toasts theirs. The biggest plane in the world (Antonov 225) has wings that deflect ("bend") over 16 feet under NORMAL conditions, just by taking off. The most advanced wide-body aircraft in the world has wings that can bend like below. There's nothing wrong with things being designed to flex. In fact, its generally better. Shit, even a tractor trailer is an arc until its loaded. These reverse-engineered dumbshit marketing videos of frame stiffness are idiotic. If you want to know about reliability, skip the anecdotes, skip the contrived "testing", and look at things like % of vehicles on the road and % of vehicles making service requests under 40,000, 100,000, 200,000, and so on. The Tacoma is head, shoulders, torso, and tiny asian dong over the murican competitors (and honda and nissan) in every meaningful category of toughness and reliability. But is it toasted?

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  7. Aug 15, 2015 at 10:46 AM
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    No boxed frame?!!! Hurrrrr.
     
  8. Aug 15, 2015 at 10:49 AM
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    Also, Sweers didn't say the frame was stiffer or stronger. He said they used high-strength steel which allowed it to be lighter. aka its not stiffer or stronger, they just used less metal to reach the engineering tolerances they had for gen 2 resulting in a lighter frame.
     
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    The Antonov AN-225 has a max payload of 1.2 million fucking pounds. Maybe we should take cues from real engineering marvels, not from some marketing video starring a has-been football player.
     
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    Judging by the fact that Howie Long is a paid spokesman for GM and these were GM engineers, the chances of this being legitimate are exactly zero.
     
  11. Aug 15, 2015 at 11:00 AM
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  12. Aug 15, 2015 at 11:02 AM
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    I'm liking this. I'm liking this a lot :cool:

    Thanks for the post, op.
     
  13. Aug 15, 2015 at 11:37 AM
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    ...During a hurricane....palm-trees survive unharmed by 'flexing'.....whereas the mighty oak-trees get ripped out by their roots....coincidence?....Hmmm?...:wink:
     
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  15. Aug 15, 2015 at 12:27 PM
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    The 2016 Tacoma frame uses HSS in the 440 to 590 range as a way to increase rigidity and overall strength.

    Source: http://articles.sae.org/13836/

    http://automotive.arcelormittal.com/repository2/Automotive_Product offer/HighStrengthSteels.pdf
     
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  16. Aug 15, 2015 at 2:32 PM
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    Bending is what I want ?
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    Holy crap so you saying when our tailgates were bending from just sitting on them, and everybody was reinforcing them we made a mistake ?
    So did Toyota made big mistake and issued TSB to replace bend out of shape tailgates on 2gen for nothing ?

    https://www.tacomaworld.com/threads/tacoma-tailgate-bending.116004/
    WTH Toyota, did you hear that ... bending is good, in fact if you make frame from bamboo, and tailgate from corrugated paper, it will be even better because it will bend even more...

    Our trucks are not an airplanes wings, they have no reason to bend.
     
  17. Aug 15, 2015 at 2:43 PM
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    They have the exact same reason to bend - energy can be absorbed without the high frequency oscillation seen in rigid structures that leads to catastrophic failure. I realize I'm talking to a mental midget here, but you cannot confuse elastic and plastic (inelastic) deformation and still have a grown up conversation about "bending".
     
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    this might help

     
  19. Aug 15, 2015 at 2:48 PM
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    I like where your head's at...

    On a side note: Mryia has a max take off ~1.4m and payload of ~250t.
     
  20. Aug 15, 2015 at 3:13 PM
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    I was including fuel in the payload. Empty weight is only ~280,000 iirc
     

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