Autoweek Article...lol

More great quotes from Sweers:

"“We left all the [suspension] connection points the same because our customers spend between $3,000 and $8,000 on aftermarket parts,” says Sweers. “So that (aftermarket) industry said to us, ‘Please don’t change what we’re selling.’” Even aftermarket rear bumpers designed for the old truck bolt on the ’16."

Is it me or is it kind of funny the lengths they will go to to not outright admit this was just a comb-over? Don't get me wrong, the truck is better and it is growing on me. I'd love to own one. I am a loyal Toyota guy but Tacoma fans are a smart a bunch. Stop trying to feed us crap!

http://autoweek.com/article/car-reviews/2016-toyota-tacoma-first-drive

 

No way

I mean, that is kind of convenient for people with parts to carry over, or wanting to instantly upgrade and not wait for aftermarket to catch up - but that's 100% not why they did it. No car manufacturer would/should care that the aftermarket has to hit the drawing board after fucking 11 years. What a motherfucker this Qweers guy is.

 

See what you idiots did with your lifts and bumpers. If you would have just left them stock we could all enjoy a brand new 3rd gen. THANKS A LOT JERKS1

 

I get that Sweers only takes orders from Toyota execs who tell him what to do. What he should have said (you know, instead of lying) would be something along the lines of "We did not see a reason for a clean sheet redesign for the following reasons..." Instead he comes off as a used car salesman lol.

 

But we did get a $10 GoPro mount...

 

Sweers is a douche.

 

I realize most of the posters here are window-licking retards, but I'm a bit surprised no one has ever built anything of value in their life. Why would you change cab dimensions or suspension connection points? Does it solve a known problem? If you design and build a house, do you need 6'6.2458" door jams for it REALLY to be a newly designed house? Maybe Sweers should have put the bed IN FRONT of the cab. That would have been really revolutionary.

 

You obviously aren't understanding my point. Didn't say anything is wrong necessarily with carry over. I do see something weird about the fibs and bs he uses to hide the fact that a ton of it is carry over though. You think the real reason suspension mounts haven't changed was to please the aftermarket? Lulzzz

 

I dont see the problem.. The truck isnt available for purchase and there is already a large selection of proven aftermarket support. Sounds like a win to me.

 

He didn't say it was the primary reason. He said the aftermarket didn't want it to change. We both know that is true. Also, he never said that every piece was changed completely. Whether its true or not is another question, but all he ever said was every piece had changed. That is a much lower threshold. The bed is an inch deeper so we know that's changed. The doors have a different crease, so that's changed. The front fascia is different. The rear bumper is now 3 piece. The frame is a different steal. The seats are new. The engine and transmission are new. Go down the line. I haven't seen a single claim by any of the TWers that contradicts what he said. He never made the claim (and I wouldn't want it to be true if he did) that no piece had the same dimensions or if existing CAD objects were modified and not completely thrown out.

 

You have to admit though, if after market mods didn't fit on the new truck Toyota would lose a lot of sales. I think it was intentional and not a comb over.

 

Yup, as much as certain folks like to harp on about the cab not changing, it did change. The materials were changed for better NVH and rollover crash test performance. The frame materials changed and bracing was added to again help in NVH and specifically small overlap crash testing. So, items that look the same did, in fact, get changes. Based on the reviews I've read, these changes paid significant dividends on the way it drives and how it feels from the driver's seat.

I'd recommend everyone read through the PDF that was shared by TFL. Lots of good information of what actually did change.

 

So it is an upgrade with a new motor, cab, box, rear axle and tranfer case. I like the fact that the suspension is consisitant. If a combination works, keep it.

Howard

 

I actually laughed out loud at "window-licking retards". I was having a rough morning but that made everything better... thank you.

as for the comb over... I don't see it that way. I think they hit the mark perfectly with the body and suspension. I love that they made it so aftermarket would not take a big hit.... if they missed anywhere it was in the MPG. In a car I care about HP, in a truck not so much... In a car I don't care about MPG, it a truck I care a lot. IMO if they could have squeezed out 2 or 3 more MPG highway on the V6 the truck would be looked at much differently.

I like the exterior (snout looks a bit long in some of the pics but probably the larger grill)
I love the interior (reminds me of a Raptor which is a good thing)
Suspension is fine (carry over for aftermarket happys is good)
Engine/transmission... meh


Carl

 

More importantly in that article

"The new transfer case is lighter and quicker shifting, co-developed with the team working on Toyota’s overseas 4WD workhorse -- the commercial-grade HiLux pickup. A beefy new 8.7-inch rear axle comes on TRD trucks, replacing the standard 8-inch axle, also shared with the HiLux."

Isn't that improvement more important than being ticked that they didn't change something just for the sake of changing it? I for one couldn't be happier the existing suspension mounts are the same. People still in love with their current trucks and not ready to embrace the new one will point out every possible "flaw" to make it look like a 2.5 gen when it simply just isn't. And anyone that thinks Toyota just rolled over these parts and the drum brakes for that matter without any R&D is just plain silly. They already spent the money reviewing how the current system works with the new truck, they are not saving any money with reusing parts, parts in those quantities are cheap.

 

They could have kept the same body style and just changed out the drivetrain for something more efficient and more powerful and I would have been satisfied.

 

No power seats and rear drums in a ~$35k truck. Fuck you toyota.

 

What else do you people want? I just do not understand it!!The engine has more power , yes less tq by 1 lb , yes it takes higher rpm to reach top torque but the torque is more consistent from the bottom to top. Even the reviewer stated in the old model that the torque numbers were good at low rpms after certain rpms the torque dies. Yes, I understand that people need more Torque for towing, but the majority of customers that have a tacoma do not use the truck for that. The twins have 1 more mpg on the highway but one less in the city, still i have found that GM never hits their MPG rating not the case so much with Toyota. If you don't believe it look at the reviews on MPG for the twins. I am willing to bet that more than one person talking crap about the truck will go and drive one and will love it. PLEASE PEOPLE, DRIVE THE TRUCK FIRST AND THEN DRAW YOUR CONCLUSIONS.!

 

Correction, $4.25 for a GoPro mount: Big Spenders! 2016 Tacoma Go Pro Mount $4.25 on Dealextreme https://www.tacomaworld.com/threads...ount-4-25-on-dealextreme.360169/#post-9756833

Our goal was to build a truck that is badass,” says Tacoma and Tundra chief engineer Mike Sweers. That’s because “badass” is exactly what Tacoma-driving dudes are after. Sweers says Toyota has the youngest buyers in the segment.

I can't believe Mike Sweers actually said this Was he wearing his baseball cap sideways and a Fubu hoodie at the time of the interview?

 

Better mileage (diesel will achieve the numbers I want, others are doing it...why can't Toyota!?), linked rear suspension (coil sprung solid front axle, since you asked, but that is never gonna happen)...if you're gonna make an offroad "bad ass"...might as well go all the way and not just stick the tip in.


At least the only thing that is the same is the seat belt bracket....


...and since you asked, make it a minitruck again.