Look out toyota.

You have no credibility here. If you told me the grass was green I would double check.

 

Excellent go check 2gen forum its right next to this. You should always check what people posting

 

Wow. I wonder if in the USA you guys are not only getting cheaper MSRP's, but better rebates, than us. Did you check out the link I posted? On there GM states it's 32K for the cheapest truck that offers the Diesel, and then you have to pay the upgrade to Diesel. So your dealer is cutting you $5K off the Colorado?

How will the trade in value hold up if the Colorado is now getting $5K rebates in the USA.

Good call on try before you buy. We did the same thing with the F150.

 

How many of them have lost their hoods? How many of the other vehicles out there with hood flutter had their hood eventually weakened as you say and cause an accident?
I also saw you mentioned that there would be other options you'd want with the diesel, but when you select the diesel it comes with the z82 towing package, (hitch receiver and 7pin connector), trailer brake controller, exhaust brake, and eaton g80 auto locker. That's easily $900.00 and if you're buying it to tow, those are the options you'd want. It also of course comes with a higher capacity battery, stronger starter, bigger battery cables, and block heater ready, standard things for diesel trucks. You can't even get a trailer brake controller on some trucks. I see Toyota going after the 4x4 crowd and GM going after the work crowd.

 

I wouldn't want a lose hood . It's a what if I'd rather not worry about and I agree with my broker that, if the dealer said it wasn't fixable, I would try to lemon law the truck.

Here's some JK guys complaining about the flutter. Notice how they talk about it being due to the rubber straps I talked about. A few of them complain about the safety aspects of it.

http://www.jk-forum.com/forums/jk-write-ups-39/my-hood-flutter-fix-$7-125997/page4/

The Colorado flutter isn't the same thing. Metal on metal vibrations aren't good which can cause metal fatigue. If the latch fails eventually it would be a very bad thing.

The 2016 Tacoma comes with the tow package as well. Those things you mentioned are pretty standard on any vehicle with a tow package. Actually a few people have complained about that because of what it does to the average cost of the vehicle. The auto locker is nice and I would prefer it over the electronic LSD the Tacoma has but it still requires 100 rpm difference between the tires before engaging, so it's more like an LSD than a auto locker. GM is definitely targeting those people who refuse to buy half tons but want to tow travel trailers or other large loads with a mid size with the diesel model. It's hard to argue that the Diesel Colorado won't do that very well and with pretty good mpg if the truck can hold together.

Let's be clear, the judgement won't be passed on the Diesel Colorado or 2016 Tacoma until both have been around for years. I just don't trust GM after how the 2015 Colorado has been a problem.

 

I mentioned those things because you said you would have to pay even more to "upgrade the diesel". You don't have to pay for anything else, it comes with all that when you buy the diesel. I'm just stating the facts instead of speculating, that's what you get standard with the diesel. I can't think of any other upgrades you would need to buy except the block heater, and GM is only recommending that for -20 use because it comes with ceramic glow plugs. I agree with you that it will get awesome mileage, the truck's chief engineer is already bragging about getting 37mpg in a preproduction truck during a long test drive.

 

I was talking about the $3K up charge for the Diesel. Which you do pay over the gas version.

The prices I listed also included things like the convenience package. There isn't a build sheet yet for the Diesel and the one I was working with you had to add the LSD too because it's the current gas engine sheet. If it's true that the LSD is included in the Diesel then that is close to $1K you don't have to pay to get that option. There are other options on this truck that don't come for free just because it's Diesel. If you don't need them then you don't have to get them, but it still doesn't change the $3K up charge for the Diesel and the mandatory trim level the Diesel comes on. I prefer the "base" model Colorado here (Canada) because, even after adding things like the convenience package it's still cheaper than the LT model. Too bad the Diesel isn't coming on that which means it costs more to buy the Diesel, because of the mandatory upgrade to the LT package, than a gas that I would build for offroad.

I would never, ever, start a Diesel in winter without synthetic oil in the motor and leaving it plugged in over night. I'm guessing you've never lived somewhere where every night in January is below -10 c. Even modern Diesels have starting issues in those temperatures IF you didn't leave it plugged in over night on a timer.

I think 37 mpg is probably propaganda. This truck still has to push a ton of air, like a Ram 1500, to move forward. I'd expect mileage around the 30 mpg or slightly better mark. If they get a true 37 mpg overall then these things will sell like hotcakes.

 

Some guys are breaking 40 in the Ram Eco (2WD), not unfathomable that you could do that in the Colorado.

http://www.cleanmpg.com/forums/showthread.php?t=50475

 

Maybe the tires were pressurized with magical helium, which would make the truck as light as a feather.

 

We've had this conversation. That's highway mileage. Even to someone like me in the country it's the combined mileage that is what matters. For example our F150 can sometimes hit 25 mpg on the highway for trips, but it averages 20 mpg so that 25 mpg is basically eye candy that doesn't matter.

37 mpg overall would put the Colorado in the same class as some of the larger German cars for mpg, and those cars have much much better aerodynamics with similar displacements.

 

It will probably at least get 32 mpg epa, but diesels are known for getting higher real world mileage. The ram is known for getting over 30. If you have the ability to do commercial fleet purchases or commercial leases through enterprise you can pick one up in WT, but most people aren't that lucky. The g80 locker is $325

 

I do have the ability to do fleet purchases, hmm, I'm going to login to my companies fleet program and see if the WT Diesel is mentioned. Like I said, all the articles with GM quoted only list the Diesel in the LT and Z71, or SLE and SLT for GMC, trims.

Usually we don't get quotes on the smaller trucks though, so I might not be able to see anything until the dealers know more.

Yes, I was throwing the locker on top of the Diesel engine though. The Diesel is a 3.7K upgrade, actually not a 3K upgrade, so I split the difference on the locker. If that's incorrect my bad. It's hard to work out prices with such limited information.

 

That bowtie is not of my taste

 

The 3 big detroits can come up with all the configurations out there available but at the end ,at the bottom end, there is a Toyota out selling everyone and holding value like no other, and smart vehicle shoppers like I consider myself we look at numbers but the most important I look at is where my $20k, $30k or $40k are going,and definitely goes into reliability and resale value.
And thats Toyota or Honda
Nothing else!!!

 

http://www.kbb.com/new-cars/best-resale-value-awards/best-resale-top-10-cars/

Check out this top ten. GM and Ford don't lose much over Toyota right now on trucks.

 

Well thats projecting thats them projecting things that might never happens 5 years from now
Real world history speak for itself
those colorado trucks 10 or 15 years from now I bet they wont be many around in good state.

 

Yep.

Oh...not even sure why I am being concerned about mpg, the wife says it doesn't really matter...we can afford the damn gas! Me just being a gawd damn bean counter.

 

That's true. A few members here have said they could get $5K discounts on Colorados. If that's true that will torpedo that resale value a bit. Not to mention right now the limited supply is holding the value. If GM pushes out more of them then that could hurt resale too.

I think the F150 and Silverado resale is close though. Honestly they don't plummet like they used to.

 

I got nothing in my system for GM yet other than we are going down to dealer cost for private purchases lol. That means nothing to me until I see some numbers and options!