Push Button Start

Comes down to money.

What is Toyota willing to invest in vs what are consumers actually looking for.

On an already pricy truck a 90$ part raises the price 150$.

 

Which comes out to less than $3 a month

 

150$ is 150$.

 

Repairing key scratches is expensive.

 

Then don't scratch your paint with your keys

 

Easiest way to do that is not having to use them in the first place. There's absolutely no good reason for them not to have a power lock on the tailgate, at least on the upper-tier models. How are you gonna have a wireless charging pad but not a power lock?

edit: apparently pop&lock made them for the 2nd gen, so I guess there may at least be an aftermarket option for it.

 

The Toyota website notes that the push button start interferes with pacemakers and difibulaters so if an owner has either one of these devices the start needs to be disabled.
So yes, it can be done. I want to know how.

 

If you disable the smart key's transmissions (which can be done if you pull the battery out of the key fob also) and instead you would use the key and hold the fob up to the start switch for approx. 10 seconds to start the truck instead.

It still doesn't revert the system to an insert and turn type key, that would be very difficult and require changing most of the wiring.

All it would do is make the system more annoying to use.

Jeff

 

I still find it comical that this is an issue to people. Trust me. Use it for a week. You won't want to rip it out.

 

Sounds like it makes it possible to still use the fob in the event the fob battery died, which was a big concern of mine.

*edited for clarity

 

If the battery dies you can still push button start the car with a jump start from a Lithium pack or another vehicle. We listened to tunes while playing outdoor rink hockey a few times using my Juke and killed the battery. I had no problem getting a jump with the push button system.

You can still get into the car with the manual key as well, so I'm not sure what problem you are trying to point out here...

 

I should have clarified. I meant the fob battery. It would suck to be stranded in a perfectly working vehicle that you can't start simply because the battery in the key fob died. I never owned a vehicle that had one. Just rentals that don't come with the manual.

 

If you are really worried just keep a spare battery in the glove box. Again, you'll be able to get in with the manual key and then change the battery on the fob.

BTW @Jeff Lange do you know if this transmitter requires a battery to open the door when you are next to it? I know someone was working on using RFID technology to get wireless energy to energize the transmitter. I'm not sure if that technology has made it to push button start fobs yet but "flash" RFID technology is now common in bank cards and some other gadgets now, including employee ID's that can be read from a few feet by a door.

 

I still can't believe there are actually people who want the old turn key ignitions. To each their own, I guess.

 

I wouldn't trust a battery that had been sitting in a vehicle subject to extreme temperature changes. Knowing that there is still a way to use the fob without a battery is enough for me.

 

The smart entry is a 2-way transmission process to verify the key, and it requires a battery in the fob to work. It doesn't have the ability to get energy from the truck. Yet.

But yes, if the fob battery dies, you can still get into, and start the truck.

Jeff

 

The battery in the fob is a Lithium or Silver Mercury battery, which are not affected by climatic temperature changes.

GTK

It will happen. If the technology is cheap enough to be put in ID cards it can be made to work on a car.

 

Still. If the RFID can still start the truck with a dead battery in the fob, then there's no reason to worry about keeping a spare in the truck.

 

Same here. It still blows my mind that people can complain about anything. Change, it's scary!

 

Had it in a rental and hate it more now than I did before.
Are you aware of the class action lawsuits against these things?

Not everyone raves about them.