Diesel yotas

I do need to admit I know nothing about the urea emissions stuff. I'm not worried about the 3k payback because I expect my next truck to be my last since it will be a 3rd vehicle.

A full size truck is too wide for my intended use and a GM midsize is not an option for me so I'm comparing the upcoming model to the same one with the options that I think it should have.

 

With a 3K outlay for a Diesel and a 10 mpg advantage you'll still need 4 years of 20K a year driving to get your money back. The problem is what happens if you have injector issues in year 5 or 6? Then your back to square one for costs.

Not trying to talk you out of a Diesel. Those are just some legit concerns I have for any system that comes here.

 

The main difference I see is that
On the same hill, same load same speed,

My tundra with the big 5.7 l
Gets half the mileage and can't keep up with the smaller Tuareg TDI.
Tundra screams is brain at 5k rpm and the TDI just woosh by staying bellow 3000 rpm.
Reliability beside and talking pure performance ,, the little diesel is running circles around the Tundra.

This is from a guy that owns both trucks and use them daily.

 

Everyone ? Diesels and locking differentials are the fall back discussion topic for the "Tim the Tool Man" version of toyota owners.

The truth is, most could care less about a diesel once they see the initial price, how little they actual save you and over road performance compared to a v6. Diesels are way over rated for practicality here in the U.S. Give a Taco owner a diesel and a locking diff and you can just see the hair start growing on his chest....and each are just about as useful for most.

 

Ahhhh..compared to the actual diesels competitive trucks actually use, the difference is much closer.

 

I still can't believe this- people pay well over 3K for leather, power everything, nav/sound crap, and it doesn't improve the truck's ability to act as a truck. People plead and beg for a diesel version, which will improve mileage and light towing ability, and we get a litany of "no's", even though we are willing to pay extra and understand the situation fully.

 

The problem is in your last assumption......."even though we are willing to pay the extra "..........
Toyota isn't wiling to build a new truck with a diesel motor becasue a few forum members claim that "most" would pay the premium to buy one. In the Colorado, it's a $3500 option.

A sunroof is, leather is, super stereos are etc. becasue you reap the benefits every day. You get back some of your purchase price when you trade. You get better gas mileage when you fill it up and it takes some time to recover. Diesel price difference from gas to oil is volatile. When it's a buck more a gallon around here, you would have rather put the money into a new stereo.

The actual benefits that most use the sport trucks for, towing, you do less them 1% of the mileage....is not enough for Toyota. I have a Kubota L3400HST diesel tractor. I don't need a diesel truck and neither do most in a country that is awash in gasoline from cheap North American shale oil. and diesel will ALWAYS be a premium.

 

Now I am curious, how does sunroof, or leather save money and provide benefits? Please enlighten us?
I am in New England too. Diesel is at the same price as regular. Never mind the fact that 30mpg Colorado would still get 30 mpg in winter while Gasoline Tacoma will be getting 15 mpg at best. I see almost 30% drop in mpg across my cars in winter. Even my 4 cylinder CRV goes from almost 30 MPG to 20 MPG.
Diesels don't do that, Tdi had the same mileage winter or summer, and I would say it tended to be much better in winter due to more dense air.
Lastly if you have diesel car, you can drive it for free, get your vegetable oil and run that sucker.
Last piece, diesel will be going down in price. Almost all northern states are pushing CNG for home heating. There will be tons of cheap diesel for years to come.

 

Ah, opinions again.

Who gives two shits. There are more diesel options coming for those who find them to be extremely desirable. I'm honestly flat out tired of the dick swinging on this topic one way and the other. It's a fucking truck. As long as it does the job, it does it well, and you're happy driving it who cares what anyone else thinks.

I know people who think the Tacoma is a truck for queers. Actually, they far out number the members on here. How about instead of fighting over a fuel source a couple of you go vote with your dollars or, more productively, you keep driving your current truck to show why it works.

Just stop trying to convince each side one is better than the other. It's just a pissing contest with and electric fence at this point.

 

Winter diesel sucks. Ask any farm. It also has less energy per gallon, just like winter gas. Ask any guy who sells diesel. That's why farms load up on diesel in the late summer and fall on top of harvesting needs. No one wants a tank of pure winter diesel at seeding.

Vegetable oil through a modern diesel is a bad idea for so many reasons.

How about we all just agree that you are sold on a diesel you will load up with fry oil no matter what anyone says.

 

Again, you are comparing your tundra to a Porsche knockoff lol. Not really apples to apples. But, hey, if you want to believe that a Tacoma 2.8ish (not going to look it up for what the new 4D4 displacement is) L diesel is going to behave on the road like a Porsche SUV go right ahead.

I might suggest you go drive a Cayenne S gas turbo on the same hill as your Toureg, if you want to compare paved hill ascents fairly between a gas and diesel in the same chassis. Or just look at the 0-60 times I posted.

Diesel gets the mpg. Performance.. depends on how you look at it to be perfectly honest. For me I'd never go with the diesel Toureg if I wanted performance. I'd go with the gas turbo version. The diesel is in there for mpg.

 

Exactly....if you don't mind the inconvenience of plugging your vehicle in, maybe you can reap the benefits. Diesel works best if you keep it running in cold weather, hardly a benefit for short trips. Diesel does not lend itself to "cheap" oil changes either. The benefits of using vegetable oil in your diesel exist only in your mind. Let it sit too long without running it thorough the system, and it turns to grease...literally. Many vehicals using bio fuels have two tanks so that the switch over can be made before you shut it down. People can talk all they want about gasoline being the same price as diesel fuel but two facts remain. It is not subsidized as is was in Europe and Diesel is a premium grade fuel. HERE...in northern NE, it is as much as 1.00 a gallon, sometimes much closer but always higher.

Diesels are great, for sustained driving and or work. They are a great bragging rights motor but impractical for the majority of medium truck owners and only practical for a small % of large truck owners. Just wait till the Colorado diesel comes out. It has fewer HP then it's four. So the idea that it will be a great performer like a Toreag compared to a Tundra exist only in diesel fanboy's minds. And, let me add, most of those don't own a diesel and never have. If you want to save money on your truck over time, keep the body from rusting and drive a typical gas engine for twenty years. Don't get a diesel.

 

Btw...most people aren't stupid ! If diesels were that practical for the majority of owners at their premium price, the car makers would be making them now in large quantities, as TDI's would be outselling Camrys and Corollas. There is a reason why GM needed help........

 

The biggest factor deciding if you will have a Tacoma diesel is simply the tax structure and the overall price of fuel. The higher the cost of fuel, the quicker the payback when tax burden on diesel is lowered. Now, like I said earlier, we are awash in fuel, and even though diesel fuel is cheaper to make, at the pump it is always higher and the motors are expensive to make and conform to emission standards and it just isn't worth that extra $3500 dollars. The payback is too great now in a vehicle that is over priced to begin with...like mid sized trucks.

Besides, Toyota is invested heavily in hybrid technology to solve the emission standard problems in the U.S. Their expertise in diesel though outstanding, is not up to the level of VW which has been building them for years in the U.S. They are reluctant to be pushed into that low profit for them, solution.

 

I wouldn't mind a little diesel for the torque (I wouldn't being saving any money, tho') though gas engines have gotten so good...you're better off buying a gasser if you're gonna keep it long term...maintenance, upfront cost is just so much cheaper.

 

Agree......the typical gas motor from Toyota has plenty of longevity and minimal maintenance. The four four cylinders I had, 2 (2.4) and 2(2.7) were good performers for basic trucks with manuals that far outlast toyota bodies in the rust beLt. The torque of the diesel is intoxicating but the slow acceleration is not. They make excellent tow motors, but really, who is going to tow over 5k much which my 4.0 handles with ease on my pontoon boat.....but it was like the tail wagging the dog with smallish truck and weights over 5k and poor small truck steering leverage. A Diesel won't change that.

The box frame on my 4Runner was much stiffer and actually towed better then my newer Taco with a higjer rating. The 25 foot pontoon boat behind it's acknowledged flexible frame, makes it not made for prime time towing for long distances with weights approaching it's maximum...especially with cross winds on a pontoon boat. Again.....a diesel might be better in the 4 Runner...but not the Taco for towing.

 

*thumbs-up*

The 4Runner even has better payload than the Tacoma....honestly at times I don't know what Toyota is thinking with the Tacoma, it has been severely castrated when it left the HiLux chassis. I guess what Toyota is saying about American small truck buyers, is they are a bunch of soft handed nancys...I like it for a general purpose run around truck, but for other duties I need to look elsewhere. I would love to have a burly little truck that I can pile bunch of crap into without it wincing, doesn't exist here. Have to go a 3/4-1 Ton for the slide in camper I want. I seriously don't know how the Tacoma guys are getting past the dismal payload.

 

They aren't getting past the payload. They are illegally overloading. Just like the guys who talk about towing 7,500 lbs trailers with the Colorado or 10,000 lbs estimated loads from "home depot" with the Diesel Colorado. Those are still way over weight, but people like to ignore the numbers if they think they can get away with it based on Toyota, Diesel, or whatever.

 

I can't even get a straight answer from the camper manufacture. They say just put on air bags or heavier springs, yeah it will handle the weight...still illegal. That and I don't know how the frame will hold up in the long term. I am not reading any catastrophic failures in my searches, but...just because you can do it, doesn't mean you should.

I dunno, probably should just buy a F250/350 and not have to worry about weight....and just use the Taco for what it is made for...a soft handed daily driver, that gets poor gas mileage for what it is.

 

Right.....one cannot help but wonder with the trucks with frame rust how many were lead to believe that tow weights are for the life of the truck. Before any one does any towing with even half thier weight on a truck more the. Five years old it should be inspected with that in mind.