2GR-FKS more 'Atkinson' than Prius.

Exactly.....the driver is the single biggest variable in actual mileage. Others like speed, acceleration/ deceleration, driving conditons and terrain are secondary. The reason is simple. Nothing can account for how a driver will manage the secondary conditions. Your rate or speed is a change in the distance traveled, acceleration is a change in rate and the third derivative, a change in acceleration and deceleration ( referred to as the jerk function) is so much under the control of the driver, it produces variable results in mpg even with the same secondary factors. EPA estimates try to eliminate this variable which means the human factor will generally produce different actual results. But over the years, these EPA results have still shown to be accurate for comparison when the human element is removed. I drive Toyota vehicles and I prefer them. But, I am not an idiot and understand that I do becasue they tend to be more reliable and have greater longevity. It has nothing to do with dual VVT, Atkinson or direct fuel injection. Becasue frankly MOST CARS ARE MORE ALIKE THEN THEY ARE DIFFERENT.

 

Where did you read that I didn't care. Please don't assign additional meaning to my statements becasue you are running out of legitimate reasons to doubt the validity of EPA estimates. I am making a simple statement. The additional technology and the increase in mileage ( which is LESS then 10%) does not match the hype. One of biggest factors that accounts for better high way mileage is the spoiler in front. ...it's an item that any decent body shop can fabricate and install.
Toyota builds comparably good vehicles. They also do a good job of marketing. Btw , I bought the 2015 because I did not see the improvements divulged in the months ahead, worth the extra monies. Otherwise, I would have just bought a new 4Runner which was $8000 more. Untill the dust settles, I am not going to pay the money that Toyota try's to charge for the additional hype. The worthwhile difference without a doubt, is the more carlike experience. Fine...but that is the main reason the 3.5 was chosen, and not better fuel economy.

 

Okay. I guess I see this differently... Yes, the driver (me) is a huge variable, but I can control that one and I am responsible for it. I personally would like to know approx how much I am going to spend in gas and use in emissions before I purchase a vehicle, because those costs will vary enough to influence my purchase decision.

And I am still very curious to find out how this 2016 peforms efficiency-wise, as all the tech baked into it didn't show up as ground breaking results in the EPA test. Methinks the EPA test doesn't tell the whole story.

 

The "Big fucking deal" (BFD) was my clue you didn't care.

No anger here, I just honestly am not following your argument. Seemed like a rant.

 

;-) I hear you....The BFD referred to all the technology that was part of the "new" engine which produced only 2 mpg over the old engine and only 1 mpg over the upgrade of the old engine which makes similar HP. The 3.5 was chosen for one reason. It is quieter and smoother then the longer stroke 4.0, not that it is more efficient or more powerful. Let"s just recognize it for what it is.

In the same light, eventually, I see the Camry 2.5 replacing the 2.7. An up grade of the 2.7 will give you a sufficiently efficient and powerful truck motor. But the 2.5 will be more car like .

 

I agree. I think real world numbers for the conservative driver will be better than epa estimates by a good margin.

 

http://www.fueleconomy.gov/mpg/MPG.do?action=mpgData&vehicleID=34410 &browser=true&details=on

You will find, just like this example of the 2014, just as many conservative drivers will do WORSE because of their location. The EPA does not take into account extreme weather and neither do most owners when bragging about their excellent mileage. The same will be true for the new truck. Some better and probably just as many worse....

 

I see this in similar way.
Toyota replaced perfectly good truck engine with car engine (I know some of you will disagree and roll your eyes but it is a F car engine at the end)
And after installing car engine , all they got is +2 MPG. A F +2 MPG on the highway.
Really all that technology, and now to have crappy engine for extra 2 MPG's. Why?,because Toyota Motor USA is bunch of cheap bastards.
New Tacoma got car engine not because its better, but because its cheaper . 1GR was produced in US and now with Tacoma going to 2GR and Tundra discontinuing 1GR option, no need for that production and space can be filled by 2GR. And if you disagree about Toyota Motor USA being cheap ass bastards just look at rear wheels of 2016... that's right those are F drum brakes
A F drum brakes on 2016 car if that is not cheap I dont know what is.

At this point the only Toyota cars worth considering are Japanese Toyota's like a 4runner.

 

It's not a car engine.

Drum brakes are better.

 

Its a truck engine that is also used in cars.

 

And rated to tow more than the previous engine.

 

You should check that... because I am pretty sure my 07 DCLB 4wd with 1GR is rated at 6500lb towing capacity....

Look up towing rating for V6 4WD 2016 DCLB ......
Let me know if you need help.... nothing more embarrassing than new truck having less towing capacity than model before truck...

 

Toyota Tacoma New 2016 V6 Towing Rating
Toyota has officially launched the new 2016 Tacoma. New for 2016 is a 3.5-liter, 278 horsepower V6. That is 42 horsepower more than last year. Torque is basically the same at 265 lb-ft compares to 266 lb-ft last year. Toyota’s V6 is the most powerful engine announced by Toyota and will have the highest towing capability with its tow package. Toyota says the 2016 Tacoma can tow 6,800 pounds, three hundred more than last year.

Is the DCLB less than this?

 

Yes. I'd have to go back and look at the manual again, but I think it's 6400

 

Yes 2016 DCLB 4wd is only rated for 6400LB So two bags of cement has to be carried in the pants pockets

 

Was Toyota even using the SAE towing standard back then? Didn't ratings drop on the trucks when they started using that standard?

Edit: Yup, they did. The 2015 DCLB Tacoma is rated to tow 6300lbs. BlueT continues his trend of not knowing what he is ranting about.

 

Found it, start page 172

 

Bluet loves making people eat their own Sh,,t
Page 19 of Toyota Brochure for 2007 Truck which is equipped with 1GR....

and clever excuses are coming in 3....2.....1.....

 

So why isn't the 2015 truck rated the same? Is it because there wasn't a standard back then and you could basically list towing at whatever you wanted? Apples to apples, the 1GR tows less than the 2GR-FKS.

http://m.caranddriver.com/features/...-sae-trailering-standards-explained-tech-dept

 

Your excuse is irrelevant.
1GR in 2007 tows more than 2GR in 2016.... Facts according to official Toyota documentation and rating that will be on your registration...
Thats a fact Jack not your maybe they did not calculate right...
Now another fact:
Which truck has higher payload ?
2007 4wd DCLB or 2016 4wd DCLB ?

Obviously new engine not only tows less but it can not carry as much either...