Why I won't be "upgrading" to a 3rd Gen.

23Skidoo · Sep 10, 2015

I will not be buying one because I am poor.

MikeD72 · Sep 10, 2015

ItalynStylion[OP] said: ↑

Yeah, agreed 100%. The F150 seems to be the leader BY FAR and I'm hoping that translates into whatever they decide to bring state-side with the ranger. Though, by that logic, the Tacoma should be crap considering what the Tundra is...

But again, aside from whether the 3rd gen meets your needs or not, I'd still say it's a foolish time to buy anything in the midsize market. I understand some of you NEED to buy something very soon for personal reasons, but for anyone looking who's NOT in dire need of a new truck I'm thinking it's smarter to wait. In addition to the ones listed before, I think VW is seriously considering a midsize truck in North America and I even saw a concept from Hyundai. The market is going to get absurdly competitive and customers are going to reap the benefits in a big big way. Should the Chicken Tax get repealed, it's going to be open season on the midsize truck market and EVERY manufacturer is going to want a piece of the pie.
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Why is it a foolish time to buy mid-size? Whether you like the 2016 Tacoma or not, you can't discount the GM twins all together. Everything I have heard about them is pretty solid. I can't see waiting for a VW or Hyundai. lol

Dagosa · Sep 10, 2015

Tunngavik said: ↑

I don't agree with people "pissing on the early adopters". I'm very appreciative that they are buying the truck and then posting on Tacoma world for others to see.

I also think it's perfectly fine for people to post why they are disappointed in the 3rd gen. I don't think these threads have to be some lame assed high five, back slapping exhibition. Who knows maybe someone at Tacoma reads this stuff and make improvements to the truck.

At least they say they do......
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Good points. When the reviews are in from everyone who owns them along with publications like CR, we will begin to get the complete picture. Toyota has done a good job of merchandizing. There is no way they were going to walk away from the 2nd gen people and build something that looked so much different. It is suppose to be an improvement of a popular product. The Colorado had to be drastically different, the previous one sucked.

They are not going to piss off 2015 buyers and make a rocket ship for half the price. Ideally, you want people to be happy with the 2nd gens that are traded in and resold as used cars and the 3 rd gens that are bought new.
That is the line Toyota is trying to walk.

bjmoose · Sep 10, 2015

Trucks aren't iPhones. The original post reads a lot like this:

I've been eagerly awaiting the iTacoma 3 to replace the iTacoma 2 that I bought in 2009. But really, the upgrade isn't that great. I've installed some good apps on my iTacoma 2 and I'm going to install some other ones. With the apps, I don't feel like I'm missing any key features, and this way I won't have to sign up for a new Toyota Financing Two Year Contract.
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Tacoma's aren't iphones. The new Tacoma is an incremental upgrade. It's not supposed to be compelling enough for folks to get iTacoma version upgrade fever. It's just supposed to be enough of an upgrade that folks buying a truck this year *because they need a new truck* feel like they're getting good value and technology for their money.

Dagosa · Sep 10, 2015

I am not buying one because I would have to give up the 2015 I have, or my wife's Venza, or my Kubota tractor. Otherwise, the garage is filled with boats and there is no place to park it. Besides, I know the 2015 can handle our crappy road, I don't know the new one can with the summer ending and winter coming on.

ErocksTaco · Sep 10, 2015

SDTaco4x4 said: ↑

The 2nd gen was a major difference because the 1st gen was absurdly outdated by the time it came to an end and there were massive style changes in the industry by then. That isn't the case now coming from a second gen that was just refreshed a few years ago. Also, I don't know how closely you follow the auto industry, but evolutions are the new norm when models get a new gen. Major style changes typically are not unless a vehicle didn't sell well.
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Ford begs to differ... but that's the difference between Ford and Toyota. Toyota plays it safe and focuses on QDR while Ford is more of an innovator and more 'out of the box'
You guys need to calm down. OP just posted his thought process on buying a truck and did so cordially without insulting anyone... He doesn't deserve to have his head ripped off by you guys. Don't like the thread, then move along.

ItalynStylion · Sep 10, 2015

xJuice said: ↑

Side note: One of your points is the suspension. There's a high probability of swapping your current lift over to a '16. Shall I return your stock suspension now or nah?
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Nahhh, keep it man. I'm not changing over.

MikeD72 said: ↑

Why is it a foolish time to buy mid-size? Whether you like the 2016 Tacoma or not, you can't discount the GM twins all together. Everything I have heard about them is pretty solid. I can't see waiting for a VW or Hyundai. lol
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Not foolish to buy something, I'm just saying wait. The GM twins are getting a diesel that will be an incredible engine. The V6 LFX may be getting an upgrade to the one that's in the newer Cadillacs. Will yield more power and better fuel economy too. I'd wait and see how it pans out for sure.

bjmoose said: ↑

I've been eagerly awaiting the iTacoma 3 to replace the iTacoma 2 that I bought in 2009. But really, the upgrade isn't that great. I've installed some good apps on my iTacoma 2 and I'm going to install some other ones. With the apps, I don't feel like I'm missing any key features, and this way I won't have to sign up for a new Toyota Financing Two Year Contract.
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That's pretty accurate. Not sure if it was intended to be sarcasm or not, but I agree with the summary 100%.

Rock Lobster said: ↑

I don't think this will change anything. Manufacturers are still going to have to meet US standards for safety and emissions.
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While true, the 25% import tariff won't be imposed so there'd be WAY more margin for manufacturers to work with. Not sure that would bring prices down but it would allow manufacturers to put WAY more goodies in the trucks or beef up quality.

ErocksTaco · Sep 10, 2015

Tunngavik said: ↑

I don't agree with people "pissing on the early adopters". I'm very appreciative that they are buying the truck and then posting on Tacoma world for others to see.

I also think it's perfectly fine for people to post why they are disappointed in the 3rd gen. I don't think these threads have to be some lame assed high five, back slapping exhibition. Who knows maybe someone at Tacoma reads this stuff and make improvements to the truck.

At least they say they do......
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Well said

MikeD72 · Sep 10, 2015

ItalynStylion[OP] said: ↑

Nahhh, keep it man. I'm not changing over.

Not foolish to buy something, I'm just saying wait. The GM twins are getting a diesel that will be an incredible engine. The V6 LFX may be getting an upgrade to the one that's in the newer Cadillacs. Will yield more power and better fuel economy too. I'd wait and see how it pans out for sure.

That's pretty accurate. Not sure if it was intended to be sarcasm or not, but I agree with the summary 100%.

While true, the 25% import tariff won't be imposed so there'd be WAY more margin for manufacturers to work with. Not sure that would bring prices down but it would allow manufacturers to put WAY more goodies in the trucks or beef up quality.
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Yea, but the waiting game can go on forever. I'm sure in 5 years there will be a ton of improvements across the board, but if you need a truck in the next 6 months I think you have some damn good options right now. But I get your point.

myke232 · Sep 10, 2015

Sounds like you actually really do want the 3rd gen to me...

TeamSarcasm · Sep 10, 2015

SDTaco4x4 said: ↑

Seriously, if you don't want one then just don't get one. Why would anyone care why someone isn't getting one? Much less need an entire essay, complete with bullet points! Good grief...
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Isn't this kind of hypocritical. Why do we care about why you dont care about why he doesn't want a first gen?

ODNAREM · Sep 10, 2015

Go ahead an get it!You know and i think we all know you really want a 3rd gen.

ODNAREM · Sep 10, 2015

Rock Lobster said: ↑

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LOL!I'll take one if Oprah give's them away for free!

ODNAREM · Sep 10, 2015

Rock Lobster said: ↑

I'd take it and sell it.
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X2!LOL!

Snowbrdr1220 · Sep 10, 2015

I agree with O.P., if you have a 2nd gen in excellent shape already, the newer model doesn't really offer any compelling reasons to switch. But if you don't already have a truck, then the 3rd gen is probably a great option and just as nice a truck if not slightly better. Since the difference is minimal though, I think I will keep my current 13' OR till the wheels fall off, and just buy an SUV like a trail edition 4-Runner in several years as a newer reliable vehicle.

ytmndan · Sep 10, 2015

Snowbrdr1220 said: ↑

I agree with O.P., if you have a 2nd gen in excellent shape already, the newer model doesn't really offer any compelling reasons to switch. But if you don't already have a truck, then the 3rd gen is probably a great option and just as nice a truck if not slightly better. Since the difference is minimal though, I think I will keep my current 13' OR till the wheels fall off, and just buy an SUV like a trail edition 4-Runner in several years as a newer reliable vehicle.
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I definitely prefer the look and features of the 3rd gen, but if I currently had a 2nd gen (or even a 1st gen under 150k miles) I wouldn't even be considering the gen 3.

Z50king · Sep 10, 2015

asuchemist · Sep 10, 2015

ItalynStylion[OP] initial post: ↑

I, probably more than anyone, was REALLY pumped about the 3rd gen Tacoma. I had a damn January 12th calendar entry blocked off in my work calendar with an alarm for the release event. I don't want this to turn into a 3rd gen bash fest, but I'm wanting to share my outlook on my thought process with this "new" truck and why I won't be spending money on one.

I bought my my Tacoma TRD Sport brand new in 2009 and it's been paid off for quite some time now. I took care of it and it's still very solid. I have 108k miles on mine currently. I'm thinking I could get about 18-20k for it now; which is great. But that means I'll need to drop about another $18k to get a new 3rd gen because of how expensive they've gotten. The 3rd gen is only appealing for the following reasons.

Warranty

Slightly better fuel economy

More top end power

It's new

????????

Honestly, that's pretty much it. The truck is basically the same other than that. I was expecting a LARGE increase in fuel economy considering the new "advanced" engine and the fact that it's "the most aerodynamic truck on the market". Very disappointed by the EPA figures. There's more top end power from this engine while sacrificing torque on the bottom end. For me, that's NOT an improvement. I very rarely find myself WOT or above 4,000 RPM so more power in that region isn't really appealing.

The Plan
My plan is to simply keep what I have for a while longer. The market is juuuuust about to get competitive and I think buying right now would be a mistake. With the Duramax Diesel GM twins coming out in about a month Toyota's high horse really won't be that high. The Frontier is due for a refresh very soon and the "rumors" of the Ford Ranger coming back to the states get more and more concrete by the day. There are also talks of the Chicken Tax being repealed and that would be a HUGE game changer.

I'm planning to add URD headers, an intake manifold spacer, and maybe a few other small goodies to my truck. That will make it MORE powerful than the new 3rd gen (at any and EVERY RPM) and also increase mileage slightly. At that point, I won't have a warranty but that's about all I'll be missing.

More importantly, what will I be missing if I "upgrade" to a 3rd gen? Well, ground clearance for one. I'll have to remove that stupid chin strap on the front bumper to even come close to the approach angle of my current truck. The 3" lift I have right now blows away the new truck in terms of clearance and travel. Some have said the new truck is very quiet on the inside. Well, if you follow my sound deadener/noise barrier thread in the audio second, you too can have an even quieter truck for just a couple hundred bucks and a long weekend. Trust me.

So there ya have it. I just don't think the "new" truck offers much over a 2nd gen. Now, if I was buying new right now and could pick between a new 2015 and 2016, I'd likely get a 2016. But for many of us that already have a nice 2nd gen....I guess I don't see the point. I've taken care of the truck and it's always taken care of me. For $17,000 on top of my existing truck I see no reason to upgrade to the 3rd gen Tacoma from a well kept 2nd gen.

Picture of my current awesomeness. 3rd gen, eat your heart out!

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You also forgot to mention better tailgate.

Nice truck by the way. Sweet pic.

ytmndan · Sep 10, 2015

asuchemist said: ↑

You also forgot to mention better tailgate.

Nice truck by the way. Sweet pic.
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Also: deeper bed, higher towing/payload, no more mysterious drivetrain vibration, sunroof option, HID headlights, heated mirrors...

LaPorta · Sep 10, 2015

No trade, but I am getting rid of my 1998 Accord for it.

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