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V6 Tow Package mandatory TRD Off Road?

Discussion in '3rd Gen. Tacomas (2016-2023)' started by Ripple, Sep 25, 2015.

  1. Sep 26, 2015 at 2:29 PM
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    Well, if you want it, then you want it. I was looking at it more practically.
     
  2. Sep 26, 2015 at 2:40 PM
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    Didn't think of people living in extreme climates. Really high ambient temperatures might make the towing package useful because high temperatures could cause lubricants to get too thin.
     
  3. Sep 26, 2015 at 3:32 PM
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    Hi Aspie83. I understand when you pay as much as these trucks cost you want the exact truck you want. Nothing more, and nothing less. And you're correct about extreme, meaning very hot in this case, climates. Anything that can cool things down is a positive. In your case, if you just don't want a tow package, worse case scenario is, sell your towing package. I think we're discussing two issues here: one is the Toyota website, and the other issue is the merits of a "mandated" towing package. I'm sure once the website is functioning correctly, you'll be able to find what you want.
     
  4. Sep 26, 2015 at 3:40 PM
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    Towing near capacity at any time it would be wise to have the tow package. You don't want to replace a transmission. And it's a truck, if you never plan to tow with it what do you plan to do? Just asking.

    I don't always tow.....but when I do I prefer to be prepared....and dos eqouis.....stay thirsty my friend

    On a truck it's better to have than not. The bed is very handy, but you may find yourself renting a trailer or helping a freind.
     
  5. Sep 26, 2015 at 4:05 PM
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    No.

    That isn't how that website works.
     
  6. Sep 26, 2015 at 4:18 PM
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    It is only 650.00. If anything, it will make it more desireable when the time comes to sell it....

    I was expecting people to argue that it was not standard in all trucks...
     
  7. Sep 26, 2015 at 4:24 PM
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    I ordered my OR in late August. The first dealer I dealt with said I'd have to accept the tow package, but knocked $500 off the MSRP price, so my cost for the package would have been $150. The dealer I put a deposit down with charged full MSRP, but didn't insist I take the tow package. When I posted this, it was suggested on another thread that I had made a mistake, that for $150 more I should have taken the original dealer's offer.

    One way to look at this is that I passed up getting a $650 option for $150. Another way is that I avoided paying $150 for something I had no use for. What swayed me to go the latter route was that, after thinking about it, I decided that the towing package may not be just something that might be useful if at some point the need developed to tow something heavy. I really wondered whether the effect of having lubricant coolers under my normal anticipated driving conditions was a neutral factor, especially under winter conditions. As far as I know, these coolers can't be turned off, and don't have an internal valve that diverts lubricant away from them when the lubricant is below operating temperature. I reasoned that, especially in winter, the coolers could significantly delay the lubricant's reaching operating temperature. If so, they would actually increase engine wear, as it is accepted that most engine wear occurs between start-up and the engine's reaching normal temperature. Further, I wondered if, at least in winter, the constantly operating coolers might actually prevent the lubricant from reaching its optimal temperature. Remember that we are talking about direct lubricant cooling, not engine coolant cooling, which is thermostatically controlled.

    I have no evidence from studies to support what I am afraid of, so I'm not sure that what I'm saying, as a practical matter, is worth being concerned about. But I did have enough faith in my reasoning to be dissuaded from taking the tow package at any price. Now if I had anticipated doing considerable heavy duty towing, or lived in a very hot climate, I would have made a different decision.

    As far as why get a truck if I don't plan on towing, I would say that I do anticipate using the truck bed for moving things. But beyond that, I'm apparently in the majority of Tacoma owners who don't plan on towing (I've read that Tacoma owners placed towing at #22 when listing what they most wanted a truck for).
     
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  8. Sep 26, 2015 at 4:27 PM
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    True. It's a great bang for the buck package. Resale-wise potential buyers look for it. If one is ordering I'd recommend the RS3200 factory alarm also, that's a nice alarm system for $469.
     
  9. Sep 26, 2015 at 5:36 PM
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    No.

    That isn't how that website works.




    You put your zip code in, and it takes you to Build a Tacoma. What it doesn't obviously do, is scan all the dealers in your region to see what trucks are sitting on their lots of what is scheduled to soon arrive to their lots. If they don't have a DCSB 4x4 auto in Black on their lot then the Toyota website will not allow you to build a DCSB 4x4 auto in Black.

    Clearly that is a truck you can buy, build, and order. But that isn't the intent of that website. It is solely to direct you to a local dealer who can sell you the "ultimate truck" that you just built online. It limits what you're able to build based entirely on what is actually available for local purchase.
     
  10. Sep 26, 2015 at 5:37 PM
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    Why wouldn't you want the Tow Package upgrades ?
     
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    Because noobs.
     
  12. Sep 26, 2015 at 5:54 PM
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    You wouldn't believe how confusing this was to figure out.

    I had to call Toyota and ask. I'm sure it is in some small print somewhere on their website, but it should be made more clear and obvious that it isn't a fully customizable feature like they make it seem.
     
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    +1
     
  14. Sep 26, 2015 at 6:01 PM
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    I don't think I have ever seen a Gen 2 TRD without the tow package. Maybe they're out there but it seems they are few and far between. I would suspect it would be similar for the Gen 3s.
     
  15. Sep 26, 2015 at 6:11 PM
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    Tons of them out west without tow.
     
  16. Sep 26, 2015 at 6:20 PM
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    I'm not sure what the word or phrase is to describe that. Unprofessional? Bush League? Amateur? Bait and Switch? Weak? Arrogant? Unsophisticated?

    I'll go with weak and amateur. You try to build a truck and basically you can't build the truck you want unless you're clairvoyant enough to get the correct zipcode.
     
  17. Sep 26, 2015 at 6:25 PM
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    Negative man. The 90% has to do during cold starts when you have a brief moment of oil starvation before the fluid starts to flow. The oil cooler and trans cooler will never keep your fluids that cool. Besides, its my understanding that the trans cooler has a bypass that keeps cooler (thicker) fluid from going through. Only when its warm and the fluid thins out a bit will it flow through the cooler. This makes sure that you will reach operating temps.

    That said, I have an 04 with the tow package (trans cooler included), I recently installed a B&M oil cooler for extra capacity in cooling. My scan gauge before the install was telling me my trans temps were reaching 180 190 and sometimes 200 consistently in the summer heat, no towing stop and go traffic. My temps now hover around 170, and under load (stop and go) and in town I've hit 190 briefly. However when you hit a constant speed/load you can really see the temp drop down to something more acceptable. At night, and with cooler temps starting to creep in in TX, I'm seeing 165 at sustained hwy speeds. It will never over cool, it will get warm but while towing it will be able to shed heat more effectively for sure.

    The extra amperage from the alt is to help power accessories like trailer lights and power brakes on some trailers. A huge plus if you like aftermarket accessories too. The towing package, even if you don't tow will always be a huge plus. You will eventually throw something on the back of that truck. I can see trans temps getting way out of control towing around town without a cooler when heat soak sets in.
     
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  18. Sep 26, 2015 at 6:47 PM
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    Tow package is a benefit......never a bad thing. This is not a diesel with glow plugs. The only disadvantage would be 1/2 quart more needed at oil change. Other than that all positive
     
  19. Sep 26, 2015 at 6:55 PM
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    Tow package is NOT standard.
     
  20. Sep 26, 2015 at 6:58 PM
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    Pretty certain all the TRD models come with the tow package as standard on the Canadian trucks , I think the SR5's do as well
     

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