VW caught cheating EPA board. 18 BILLION in possible recalls

Not 40% , 40 times

 

Ok.
no documented proof yet. and allegations.
so, the owner of one of these cars experience zero difference today than when they purchased.
thanks.

 

link to documented proof?

 

if everyone quits arguing with Larry, what will he do?

 

http://www3.epa.gov/otaq/cert/violations.htm

 

You're right , I give up

Can't fix ignorance

 

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/09/2...kswagen-diesel-car-scandal.html?referer=&_r=0

"At other times, the cars had better fuel economy and performance, but produced as much as 40 times the allowed amount of nitrogen oxide, a pollutant that can contribute to respiratory problems including asthma, bronchitis and emphysema."

 

Maybe he has stock in vw and is in shock at how much money vw just lost its stockholders. So he refuses to believe any negatives of what has been uncovered

 

who's arguing? I'm sure not. Just because someone posts a point of view that differs from yours doesn't mean he is arguing.
Heck, many times I've been able to change my POV due to facts presented. I haven't seen that here yet.

 

please point to the ignorance. Just because I'm skeptical of everyone running to believe every thing in print, does not make me ignorant. Quite the contrary.

 

I guess this is why atheists have problems believing too . Kidding aside, the number comes from an independent study.
http://www.theatlantic.com/business...candal-cheating-emission-virginia-epa/407425/

 

Wow, the fix is in in a few days.

With just eight days left for Volkswagen to present a solution to its emissions-cheating diesels, the automaker has announced that it has come up with a “service procedure” aimed to put the 11 million affected cars into compliance. These vehicles used the EA189 diesel engine and were not equipped with an exhaust-cleaning aftertreatment system. According to VW, some five million of the total carry Volkswagen badges; the balance includes cars from brands such as Audi, Škoda, and SEAT.

In a statement released today, VW says that it “and other Group brands whose vehicles are affected will present the technical solutions and measures to the responsible authorities in October.” We take this to mean VW intends to meet the deadline imposed by the German authorities.

This official statement comes after Reuters reported that CEO Matthias Müller said that Volkswagen would contact TDI owners within “the next few days” to bring in their cars for repair. Müller could be referring to European customers, as Volkswagen and Audi of America have not initiated an official recall. Reached for comment, a U.S. VW spokesman said, “We don’t have any information on what the remedy might be at the moment, but we are working on it as a matter of the utmost urgency.”

On September 27, Germany’s Federal Motor Transport Authority demanded the automaker plan its repair schedule by October 7 or face an outright ban on the affected cars from driving in the country. On Monday, a report claimed that Bosch—the supplier behind VW’s engine-management software—told the company in 2007 that it was illegal to use the software on anything but test vehicles. Another report claimed that Volkswagen shelved the use of a urea-injection system when it was developing the diesel engines in 2005 because the move saved $335 per car. (It’s worth noting that the 2015 models included in this scandal use the newer EA288 diesel engine and are fitted with urea-injection systems; these cars, however, also had the so-called “defeat device” software code.)

Here is the full text of today’s statement:

Volkswagen AG is announcing its action plan to correct the emissions characteristics of diesel vehicles.

In a first step, the customers affected will be informed that the emissions characteristics of their vehicles will be corrected in the near future. All vehicles are technically safe and roadworthy.

Under the action plan, Volkswagen and the other Group brands whose vehicles are affected will present the technical solutions and measures to the responsible authorities in October.

Customers with these vehicles will be kept informed over the coming weeks and months. All of the Group brands affected will set up national websites to update customers on developments.

An internal evaluation on Friday established that a service procedure is required for some five million vehicles from the Volkswagen Passenger Cars brand out of a total eleven million Group vehicles worldwide. These vehicles from certain models and model years (such as the sixth generation Volkswagen Golf, the seventh generation Volkswagen Passat or the first generation Volkswagen Tiguan) are fitted with Type EA189 diesel engines.

 

ah yes , perhaps we should also be skeptical of Volkswagen when they admitted to this whole deception

Media Lemmings , every one of us

 

Nobody died when Volkswagen lied....not yet anyway, maybe lung cancer down the line....

 

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Depends how you look at it:

http://articles.latimes.com/2006/mar/25/local/me-smog-25

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...use-of-air-pollution_55fb1ad3e4b00310edf64af4

About 1 in 15,000 people risk getting cancer from smog. Given that number and how it's related to the amount of smog in the air I'm sure a few people have VW induced lung cancer. Breaking environmental laws hurts everyone. Not sure why people have to defend VW. Too much of a hard on for Diesel and TDI's is the likely answer. Which is funny because this doesn't effect the larger TDI engines or other manufacturers who, you know, followed the rules.

 

Just a little sarcasm. I agree, there is no defense here for VW. This goes way past let the buyer beware.

 

This is a good article to read to get a scale of the problem at hand: http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2015-09-23/climate-politics-and-the-volkswagen-scandal

 

$335 is really bugging me. I would have cost VW about $170 million (about triple what they paid Winterkorn when he left) had they added the urea system to all 500,000 TDI's from the get-go, but some bean-counter decided it was too much. VW (and everybody else) bundles all kinds of convenience crap on cars that we don't really need, yet fails to include this system. With the fines and retrofit (if that is the direction they go), it will cost them billions in addition to customer loyalty.

 

Was just watching Modern Family, and one of Audi's "Truth In Engineering" ads came on. Almost blew my drink through my nostrils.




Unfortunate timing

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...-engineering-ads-come-back-to-bite-amid-probe

 

Just saw this on a gun forum I'm on...lol