Rust?

Read the adds for FF. It has the consistency of latex paint......
Latex paint has no where near the the ability to flow like oil or water for that matter.

 

Guess you didn't bother to read their own adds. It is an undercoating and will clog small drain holes.

 

I never said it was not suitable for external use, but should not be used in body panels with drain holes and low lying weld areas.

 

No, and I refuse to. Oil, especially motor oil is a rust preventative too, but does not become heavy with use and stop flowing as it accumulates. FF is lanolin based which is a wax. When it settles, it builds up and will internally with each subsequent application. It can easily build up in areas in body panels and prevent complete drainage. It is fine as an " undercoating" which is says it is. Products like this are fine for their intended use. You can spray it into body panels, doors and rockers all you want...I WILL NOT. NOr will I recomended it for that use.

 

Why do you even try with these people anymore. They don't get it. Let their trucks rust out. You've done your best to inform them.

 

I am doing the same thing. My trucks last 10to 15 years rust free in some of the worse climate/ salt imaginable. Someone is lisening but not hearing. It costs nearly $50 a gallon, it has to be reapplied yearly and inspected, no different then biodegrable grease and oils. Grease can be painted on to a more desirable thick ness and oils can be sprayed into any enclosed areas with better flow and no wax build up.

 

All of your references that I see are from manufacturers...they are trying to sell this expensive stuff.....you denying it is lanolin based which is a wax ? I don't depend upon manufacturer claims. I depend upon science...it's really that simple.

 

You tell me the erroneous statement. I claim that motor oil in particular has better flow characteristics the lanolin based products. I claim that as a wax product, in enclosed areas, it will build up and there is nothing you can do to prevent it. Do you have to restir the container filled with it before each use ? It settles into a heavier substance..,true or false. Which claim is erroneous ?

 

One of the advantages of living in a city that gets snow once a decade...no salt, no rust

 

you still haven't answered my question. Do you have to stir a container full because it settles into a heavier substance......yes or no. It's a simple question ? If it settles in a container, it will settle internally. You keep using manufacturer claims.....I am just using the science around the difference between oil based products and wax based.

 

Still waiting for YOUR answer. You said you use the product.

 

So I can conclude that it thickens when it settles and thins out when stirred. I can conclude then that it will accumulate in low lying areas within the confines of an enclosure.

 

Rust Cure Formula 3000 FTW

 

You have been abusive and accusatory during this entire debate about a product you appear to have a financial interest in. Your knowledge is limited to adversiments by the manufacturer. All I have ever done is basically educate on how rust is formed and what common sense and safe measure you can employ on your own and with limited financial commitment which is to basically use insulators that are cheap and biodegradable.

I am not profiting from any product what so ever but invite people to do their own research as I have done during the decades I have kept my cars and trucks rust free. You keep repeating the same claims and abusive insinuations yet when I ask you to point out my false statements, you refuse and just continue to be abusive.

All I have ever said can be summed up this way. Your product works in the way they have discribed but is still a product that has some limits to it's use. It is expensive and is no better then a much less expensive alternatives given what the claims are in your own adds. Any limitations your product has, does not exist in these common sense solutions and my suggestions work better simply because oil creeps better, infiltrates crevices better and has lower viscosity better than wax based products. As a matter of fact, to decrease the viscosity of your product, you have to ad one of mine....vegetable oil. It is really quite comical.

 

It's intended use is rust proofing yo , kinda like motor oil or sumthin

 

I live in Southern California. Obviously I don't have any rust issues like everyone else around here.

I have to ask. I stead of oiling up the frame and body....

Has anyone tried spraying a layer of bedliner?

A friend of mine sprayed his bed with bedliner and man that is one tough sob layer of paint. He loads it everyday at his plant nursery and loads it with 200+ lbs palm trees with wood boxes and nails sticking out. he has yet to see the original paint on the bed.

 

In the LR Defender community, Waxoyl is used quite a bit for frame rust prevention. I had a 110, that was awesome, and always broken down. For the record, the frame on my Defender was powder coated though.

 

This, I fluid filmed mine since I got it in late 2013, it's been through one very long and salty Chicago winter before I moved to the south and my frame looks like new. I spend about $40 on fluid film a year now and do it in the spring and fall - I also cleaned under the truck after winter. People are only concerned abut a shiny shell, but forget to take care of the "foundation"

 

Honestly? Nobody really knows what will happen with the new truck frames & rust. If you're looking for a used truck, the newer the better and/or make damn sure you buy one that's had a 'frame replacement' (to get the most years out of it).

I honestly don't think there's any product that will completely protect your frame from rust unless you can inject every inch of the frame (inside & out) - and that's just about impossible to do. So...it boils down to.... It's a personal preference whether you spend the time & money with those products and how long will it last?

Toyota isn't the only manufacturer with rust issues. I just don't know whether or not those other companies are offering similar rust warranties as Toyota has. Maybe they do.....??? We could all probably agree of Toyota's reliability... yet we all complain about the rust. You could go out and buy something else and be complaining about reliability AND rust. So, you take the good with the bad. It does make you think....Do I stay or do I go?

 

I've done one truck bed and two jeep floors with Herculiner (the DIY stuff). Great stuff....

I wouldn't do frame with it. To do it right...Prep work would be a frigin nightmare to get in & around all the areas/parts/wiring/etc. When I had it on my 96 bed...after about 3-4 years, it wore off on the top of the rails. The stuff can wear off over time. Other than that, its not cheap and its a frigin mess to work with.

Rust protection needs to be on the INSIDE & OUTSIDE of the frame. Coating the outside...is just that. Can't stop rust from the inside unless you can coat the entire inside of the frame also.