Why pick 2016 Tacoma DCLB over F150 DC (supercrew)

I had recently sold a FX4 2014 Ford. I had nothing but issues with MAF sensors, turbo issues, wheels rubbing out on edge of rim, suspension issues etc, etc... Ford IMO has went downhill abit. Sure they're cheap but if you plan on actually working them in the bush, be careful of your expectations is all.

 

But you really never hear the Tundra guys bitchin' about anything breaking. Talked to a couple Tundra owners, they are pretty happy other than mileage, one guy said he gets a consistent 17-18 mpg out of his. Seems like with the Big 3 there is always some nagging little problems here and there. One friend said he rather deal a little less mpg, than have to deal with bullshit breaking.

Funny thing, when I go into the dealer to buy oil filters there is hardly anyone in the waiting room for the service department, went with my buddy to get an oil filter for his Cummins at the Dodge dealer, that place was packed!

 

With all the nagging little things with my Tacoma (and all of my past Toyotas TBH), I was afraid I would be dealing with BOTH nagging issues AND shitty mileage with a Tundra. So those two alone made me not seriously consider it.

Also, every time I've been to a Toyota dealership it's turned into half a hour longer wait than promised so take that FWIW. That's why I get most service done at Monro. Good guys, I can watch them do it, they'll take me in the garage to point out issues, and greet me by name. I don't get that from a dealer.

 

I haven't had much go wrong with my 1st gen, I am in the camp of Toyota kinda ruined the Tacoma, and they aren't as good as they once were. Do darn near all of my own work, so...only time I am at the dealer is to buy oil filters and the occasional part.

Dunno, seems like Tundra guys don't really complain about stuff breaking.

 

That's because there aren't many Tundra guys. Sure, I don't hear about a Tundra breaking every day, but I only know one guy personally with a new Tundra so the odds are pretty stacked...

 

I go read the Tundra forums and a couple other sites, seems like the majority of them just change the oil and that is about it. Sure it could be better, but if it doesn't break much...that is good too..if it ain't broke, why fix it until it is? I mean, look what they did to the new Tacoma!

 

Meh, I believe trucks should evolve with the times and keep good reliability. Maybe I'm crazy .

 

This.

Ford, Dodge, and Chevy put out a heck of a lot more trucks than Toyota each year. They are far more common in the population so you will hear more complaints because of that alone. Also, the more trucks in production, the larger the room for some error.

That is my issue with the Tundra. There are so few options, configurations, and it doesn't perform as well as the domestics. I'm very hesitant to buy a truck from a maker who doesn't care about making a quality work truck with reasonable options. They don't want to be in the full-size market (too much cost for them I'm sure) so they dip a toe in it for extra cash but they really don't care about producing a quality truck. Which means I probably won't get the best product and if it breaks down I likely won't get the best service.

Toyota does very well for the mid-size market, but does jack for the full-size market.

**I also personally think the average person doesn't take care or properly maintain their vehicles and this is responsible for a large amount of auto related problems. Domestics can be cheaper, which CAN be correlated with a buyer who doesn't care to or know how to maintain a vehicle.

 

Progress is not necessarily a good thing, some times they got it right the first time. I don't understand why we need to keep on progressing, not sure why people are so against just simply maintaining. That whole consumerism bullshit of having the latest and the greatest, I guess.

 

I think you're turning into one of those bitter first gen'rs who are realizing that no one makes mini trucks anymore, so once yours is dead it's the end of the road for that size and class .

 

I am in the few...I don't need a bunch of options on my vehicles. So in that respect I like the Tundra, honestly wish it had a manual trans. I really like the RCLB Tundras, probably the least popular configuration...because majority of truck buyers don't really use their trucks as trucks. Me I could really use that 8' bed. With two dirt bikes on a trailer, and all the gear, plus camping equipment...the Taco is filled to the brim.

Don't really care about fancy interiors either...like some guys do...'cause I use and abuse it...it is a truck after-all.

yep, they are all pretty good these days. But most people get bored really quick...must have the latest and greatest...so they trade in every couple years, and really don't care for their vehicles...since they are in the habit of trading in every couple of years.

 

Really close to moving to a cabin in the woods and writing a manifesto about 1st gens.

 

not necessarily true you can take care and maintain a domestic just as well as a a Toyota and it still does have the quality engineering and reliability as the Toy from the get go,therefore more prone to break downs. I know this cause I have owned both Toy and Big 3 trucks

 

It seems like there are two, maybe three guys in here trying to persuade everyone to by a Ford. With that said, I appreciate your opinions. But I've tried Ford twice and have friends that own them still. My nextdoor neighbor has an oil pan under his 2012 F150 daily.

 

I don't necessarily mean options in terms of creature comforts but more bed length, towing packages, engine, gear ratio etc. options.

I like nice interiors. I spend a lot of time in my truck, although I do use it, I still take good care of it. My 02' looks very close to new with the exception of some vinyl wear and tear on the driver's seat. Trucks cost a lot of money, I have to work very hard for that money, so when someone steps into my truck (as well as myself) I want them to think "wow, this is really nice". I don't want to spend a bunch of money and end up with an interior that looks like it cost $100 to make. My truck is like an extension of my home when I put about 20k miles on it a year.

 

I don't know about side to side reliability or dependability but I do know the supercharger for the 5.7L engine had limitations in Canada, not sure if it was a stop production or a non warranty item, but I recall that engine having problems with the charger in cold weather. I don't know if it is because it makes so much more power or what but my first thought was the QDR of the engine.

 

@PackCon, yes there is a good point about the number of trucks put out but we can't ignore the fact that multiple Toyota owners come and say "I've been through 3 of these and 2 of these". That is nearly a controlled experiment with the same owner and assumed same work load. Just something to consider

 

I've tried to do a lot of research between Ford and Toyota. It gets hard because it's hard to trust what people say. Again you never know how someone cared for their vehicles. Also people will trash automakers over the slightest things. I've read some pretty epic rants against Ford for crappy factory rotors. It's a $200 fix at the most for new rotors. Why are we whining about this!?!

It isn't a controlled experiment because it doesn't control for the driver, which is going to be the biggest confounding factor. I think it is more significant to have multiple customers with a single issue then it is to have a single customer with multiple issues. I think if one person goes through that many vehicles it is more than likely they are the single most common factor LOL.

 

You could argue that lots of pure Toyota truck owners have had 3 frames replaced on Toyota's in 10 years due to corrosion. In 6 years of work at my current location and dozens of Fords we've only had one go wrong mechanically. That seems like a good track record to me considering we abuse the piss out of our trucks compared to a town driver.

 

Do you have a maintenance shop at your work that regularly maintains these vehicles or is it done outside. At my work the small Tacomas are holding up better than the Rangers and F150