Firearm BS thread

.308?

 

Yep. Stainless mountain rifle. I'm pretty pleased with the results considering it's a 6 lb 15 oz rifle (all in with scope) with a pencil-thin barrel. TTSX bullets aren't the most accurate either, but they put deer down with authority.

 

Nice. My 700 is a real nail driver too. I just put a new scope on it last summer and this is from when I was sighting it in:



Once I got it zeroed I started aiming at the Winchester rider


But it's a heavy bitch. Super accurate, but you feel it after you've been on a stand for a few hours.

 

Nice. I hear you on the weight. I hauled my FN Patrol Bolt Rifle to the stand the last 2 years, complete with suppressor. Over 13 lbs all in. Darn near cut the weight in half with this new rig.

 

That's a sweet rig, though. Sometimes the heavier guns are better. Easier on your shoulder when you shoot them, that's for sure. My Uncle's custom .308 weighs in around 6lbs and it barely kicks, but if my 700 was that light it'd destroy my shoulder to sight it in.

 

Hey guys and gals, my father-in-law bought me the wrong ammo for my 17 HMR. I've had these for a year or two, can't find anyone who has a 17 Hornet. Anybody want these? $35 shipped. PM me if interested.

 

http://gunbot.net/ammo/rifle/17hornet/

 

Funny, I was a cop for years and the ones I stay in touch with don't like it. Cops support people with conceal weapon permit carry because they know at least they have had a back ground check and it they ruck up they loose it. This carry law gives every one who commit crimes, but have yet to be prosecuted for a crime the right to carry a gun. That is a significant percent of the total number criminals out there.

You think criminals carry guns all the time ? You are wrong. Professional criminals know when and where to carry. Now, they can carry all the time we just said it was all right as long as they don't have a record yet.

The Portland police chief I agree is dumb. He speaks out after this law instead of before it. Police in larger cities who spend more time on the street are generally against everyone being armed.....it's natural

The young males who are the majority of speeders can now carry a gun and a cop has to pull them over. Ask the guys from Canada which has stricter laws how much easier it is to enforce traffic laws in Canada. That's one reason why there is no mass exodus to USA. We are now one big Texas in Maine.....woopy ki yay mother fuckers.

 

Thanks. Fixed ^

 

What?

If a professional criminal doesn't have a record, what was stopping them from getting a permit or a gun in the first place? Here in PA, to get your carry license you go through the same background check as you would to buy a firearm.

 

My take on it is simple:
Maine's an open carry state, so if you can own a gun you can carry it. It's winter here for six months out of the year, and jacket weather for 8. But if your jacket covered your gun, it was illegal. Now it's not. Simple as that.
I realize that's probably oversimplifying things, but that's really what it boils down to. Maine has very lax gun laws in regards to carrying in public, and the system for issuing concealed carry permits was a real clusterfrack. I had my CCW permit before this law went into effect, and I had to wait nearly 3 months to get my permit approved, both when I first got it and when it came due for renewal a couple of years ago. And they're supposed to have it back to you in a couple of weeks.
So, this law just simplifies it. People who can legally carry a gun can now do it in the winter, too. Still can't take it into a bar if you're going to drink, still can't take it into a courthouse, can't carry if you're under 21, etc. etc. And you're required to immediately tell a cop if you're carrying, if you don't have the permit.

Now, most of the officers I've spoken with are either retired or are small-town cops. They don't work in the "big city" of Portland. But most of them aren't against the law. They either support it or are ambiguous about it.

I don't recall bringing up anything about how often criminals carry, and if you want to get into criminals caring about laws, bad guys vs good guys with guns and all that bullsh*t I'm afraid I'm just not interested.
The plain basic fact is that the ONLY change that this law brings about is how people go about their daily carry. Odds are that most of the people who didn't carry before aren't going to start carrying now. The criminals who didn't care about what the law said before still don't care, and the citizenry who obeyed the law can still obey it.

Besides, whether the new system works out or not, I'm sure Bloomberg & co will be more than happy to dump money into the next few election cycles trying to get it overturned. Personally, I'm not a bit surprised that hundreds of people didn't suddenly start shooting each other in the face on Thursday.

$.02

 

The officers in my little town (and the surrounding towns) are all for open carry.

 

The same thing that stops millions of people who don't have permits but will now carry without. Many of them have never applied either because they worried that any contact with the police including giving them personal information would result in finding their criminal behavior out.

Other things in our state that could keep you from getting a permit by mail is habitual speeding which becomes a misdemeanor, no legitimate training either military service or lisenced trainer...poor organization of material, explaining alias which many use, permanent and legitimate residence...

.In our state, hundreds have been denied each year not just because they have a criminal record but the state police have the right to deny the permit for a combination of reasons that fit a profile. Criminals without records know this.

They know you then have to address concerns personally when denied and you still want a permit. Criminals will not, according to the state police who have spoken on this subject, show up and address the concerns personally.

A lot of the people when applying by mail, don't show up in person....many are users who can possibly be found out. Some may show up in stolen or unregistered vehicles.....these are things that have actually happened and some have been arrested.

Have YOU ever applied for a permit ? If you did, you know the questions that have been asked and you are sworn by signature to be truthful. These criminals can't be truthful on alias and residences often. They know if the are check up and found to be lieing on a form, it could be a felony.

People who have actually applied for a permit, would know all this....and know anyone engaged in criminal behavior seldom if ever apply for gun permits and has as little voluntary contact with the police as possible. Every time they do, they are entered into a computerized record file.

NOW, THEY DON't have to. Thanks for the opportunity to explain this. Now you know why criminals can now legally carry guns when they could not before.

 

With all due respect, unless you have taken a legitimate pole or worked as a cop, few have an idea how the majority of them feel on the subject. NONE is as comfortable now making stops....
Every time a cop is shot, their training procedures escalate and become more aggressive themselves. That's why police violence in high crime areas is on the rise. This law change WILL now be a major point of emphasis in police training now and move restrictive police tactics will result along with public complaints. You can count on it.

 

You took a poll, interesting ?

 

Of course you're not interested.....you have a preconceived idea and you don't want to hear anything, even the truth that runs contrary to it. But, you are happy to get all of your mostly refutable ideas out there...then shut the door to anything else.

 

kinda, I just asked them what they thought about OC, 2 local LEO's are family and I know quite a few others.

 

Allowing Open carry is different from concealed carry as far as a police officer is concerned. We have had open carry in our state for a long time....and many states do. Criminals tend not to open carry; that is not an issue. They want to hide their guns and not draw attention to themselves. Ask these same people how they feel about legal concealed carry. That is what we are concerned about.

Also, I feel with allowed concealed carry, more businesses will partition to be gun free zones locally as aN ordinance. What does that mean ? It means even people with permits including off duty police with all the proper training , cannot carry there either. That means if there is a shooting, they will be even less likely to confront trained and armed help.

 

I picked up a M&P Shield .40 for $269 this weekend. Thought that was a pretty good win for me.