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Camping and Backpacking GEAR thread

Discussion in 'Outdoors' started by T4RFTMFW, Aug 16, 2014.

  1. Oct 22, 2015 at 8:55 PM
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    BabyTaco

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    If you don't care about a floor (it really isn't a big deal) then the BT-2 from seek outside is a light and roomy option for 1 guy.

    http://store.seekoutside.com/beyond-timberline-2-bt-2/

    If you really need a floor and bug screening you can add the nest but that will up the weight. I haven't needed a nest or a floor in my 4 man yet.
     
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  2. Oct 22, 2015 at 9:56 PM
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    T4RFTMFW

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    I'm sure Henry Shires has a TarpTent that fits those needs for under $500.
     
  3. Oct 22, 2015 at 10:39 PM
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    Thanks, guys. Will research next week. Camping tomorrow.
     
  4. Oct 23, 2015 at 1:13 AM
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    That ProTrail is really catching my eye. Almost twice the weight of the ZPacks tent, but also less than half the price :D

    I've been queued to Enlightened Equipment's Down Quilts, by a member as well, over ZPacks. Again, more weight, but significant cost savings. Thanks, all!
     
  5. Oct 23, 2015 at 2:03 AM
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    Hennessy Hammock. :D
     
  6. Oct 23, 2015 at 8:33 AM
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  7. Oct 23, 2015 at 9:06 AM
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    It's expensive but the Hilleberg Enan is decent. You can go both ways- use it as a standard tent or you can pull the inner portion in a few seconds and just have the shell. I've set it up without the inner tent and used it as a shelter and I loved it. It's normally a one man but when you pull the inner portion you can sleep two because it has a decent size vestibule.

    Like I said it is expensive, especially when you're going strictly for a shelter type setup. Mountain Hardware use to make a really light shelter, I think it was called the Hoopster?
     
  8. Oct 23, 2015 at 10:01 AM
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    Thanks for the heads up.
    Looks pretty identical to a couple of the TarpTent designs in size and weight, except twice the price.
     
  9. Oct 23, 2015 at 10:34 AM
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    Just a bunch of old crap
    What about just a bivy shelter? Do you want something you can sit up in? Store your pack in with you (versus using a vestibule)? Give us some more parameters of what you want from a "shelter".
     
  10. Oct 23, 2015 at 10:36 AM
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    Who said they were only for warm weather? Without an underquilt, they are. It's just that weight-conscious backpackers don't also want to haul a quilt along with hammock, tarp, slings, sleeping bag, and probably top quilt. Cold weather backpacking usually isn't too lightweight.
     
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  11. Oct 23, 2015 at 7:51 PM
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    I kinda wish the temp rating was better, I'd get one :D

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  12. Oct 23, 2015 at 7:53 PM
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    Cool for a costume or chairlift skiing in negative temps. Worthless for a sleeping bag.
     
  13. Oct 23, 2015 at 7:55 PM
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    I kinda like the idea of the selk bags as I find my mummy bags a little constrictive but i need a lower temp rating - my "light" bag is a +15 and my heavy bag is -10
     
  14. Oct 23, 2015 at 7:58 PM
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    Sierra Designs Backcountry Bed, search over. Best nights sleep I have ever had camping, I'm going to buy another one thats rated to cooler temps and never suffer in a mummy again
     
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    Leg area looks too tight, the top I like though. Its my legs that get restless in my mummy bag - I tent to sleep on my stomach with my legs bent like a "4". Kinda hard to do in a mummy
     
  16. Oct 23, 2015 at 9:53 PM
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    Go to an rei or someplace that carries them, you might be surprised. I sleep on my side bent and i have no problems with it.
     
  17. Oct 23, 2015 at 10:19 PM
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    Selk bags are amusing, and not useless.

    Not winter weight bags, and are gimmicky, but they don't work any worse than any other comparably rated sleeping bag. In fact, they should work better as there is less dead air space.
     
  18. Oct 23, 2015 at 10:32 PM
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    They are much less efficient than a mummy bag because they maximize surface area and increase convective and radiative heat loss. It is the same reason that mitts are warmer than gloves and big animals hold heat better than small ones.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allen's_rule
     
  19. Oct 23, 2015 at 10:37 PM
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    Without real numbers, I don't care. I'd be willing to bet a traditional 50* bag of similar fill and construction to a 50* Selk bag is not head and shoulders more efficient under identical circumstances.
     
  20. Oct 23, 2015 at 10:45 PM
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    Your hunch conflicts with well substantiated physics. All other variables held equally (e.g. insulation fill weight), the bag with the greatest surface area will lose heat fastest. Surface to volume ratio plays a major role in how well organisms shed or retain heat.

    Here are some real numbers: http://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/100280/surface-area-volume-and-its-relation-with-heat
     

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