I'm tired of all these reviews showing Colorado/Canyon superior

The 4.3 was a good Marine convert because it was cheap and in a non working boat, parts are plentiful and they aren't used much. The idea they are reliable comes from their extensive use in a variety of trucks busses and boats and familiarity of repair.....which was needed.

It's all about perspective. Many who buy GMs are happy they can get 100k out of a 4.3 before repair. That's fine.

 

Meh. I get it. If I'm planning on getting hammered, I buy Bud...because, well, its smoother and gets ya there a little quicker than Coors Light or Bud Light. But if I want a really good tasting beer, I typically go dark. Like, Dunkle.

 

They have to. They have to try to stay in the spotlight and keep themselves relevant. The Tacoma is a fu***** boss that sells its self based on two decades of proven reliability. All I get out of these reviews is that chevy is most likely in their pockets, and they are just screaming "look at us, we are here, pay attention to our trucks". While toyota sits back and continues to sell Tacomas.

 

Well....they are trying to win back the love of the nation as well...keep that in mind. They also have a whole lot of our tax dollars to advertise with.

 

A bit different being bailed out by banks, and by the government, isn't it? Or isn't it?

 

The government is controlled by the banks, as nobody being prosecuted during 2008 crisis proves. So no, there is no difference.

 

Ah yes...but we directly fund the government with our taxes, whether we want to or not, correct?

For a bank to be funded by the people, we have to walk in the door, and ask them to take our money....No?

 

Not really. The Government got shares to repay the loan and made the decision to sell part at a loss. They were short close to a billion. The Gov fined them 900 mil for the ignition switch. So close to even.

This decision to bail GM and Chrysler turned out to be the right decision. The supplier base would not have survived with just Ford (Mullaly, Ford Chairman said so). The industry employs a lot of Americans, glad they still have jobs.

As far as safety misdeeds, Toyota paid the record fine of 1.2 million. Nobody's perfect.

 

Not only that, but the Japanese people are paying for Toyota's bail out...

We are paying for GM's.

 

Fair enough. I'm by no means an econ guy...so things get convoluted, especially second hand (media) so, I typically need clear cut info.

 

I have yet to see a Canyon in person. I've seen and test drove Colorado's but never even seen Canyons at a dealership here in SLC either.

 

Carplay, just off the top of my head (plus the two you mentioned). And of course you can get the locking diff and off-road suspension coupled with luxury stuff on the GMC, but they are mutually exclusive on the Taco. But remember, GMC hasn't even released their "luxury" trim yet, the Denali. The SLT is generally equivalent to the Taco Limited in price/features, but the Denali will have cooled seats/HIDs/all that jazz.

Not that it matters; a "luxury truck" is a ridiculous concept, because even the most loaded Sierra Denali/F150 Platinum will have a less luxurious ride than a mid-trim Kia Optima/Camry/similar family sedan. You can't overcome the physics of truck suspension/ride height/mass and make a comfy cruiser.

I agree the twins' interior is low-rent; I really like the Taco interior, other than the seat height (and lack of adjustability of said). But once you've driven a vehicle with a modern turbodiesel, it's hard to go back to a naturally aspirated gas engine that has to be revved over 5k RPM to accelerate. Again, my perfect truck would be a Taco with a small turbodiesel, 6MT, and auto-4WD.

 

The Denali has always been the ultimate town truck. The Canyon Denali will sell about as many units as the Envoy Denali did, which was not many. It's really odd for someone to spend nearly 50K on a Diesel luxury truck that doesn't give off the same vibe as a similarly priced luxury vehicle.

 

Toyota’s loans, however, represented a much smaller percentage of its market value (which never fell as much as the others) and were significantly smaller than the loans Ford took out. But the loans also came during the period when Chrysler and GM were under the greatest stress.

Not surprisingly, Toyota paid off these loans more quickly than Ford did, in 148 days as compared to 323.

Ford and Toyota weren’t the only auto industry companies getting loans. BMW also had over $4B in loans, at times up to 27% of its value. There’s a $1.7B loan to Chrysler Financial (AKA Cerberus).

Perhaps the biggest surprise of all of this are Harley-Davidson’s $1.3B loans, at times over half its market value.

 

Just FYI both Fords and Toyota's loans basically went against keeping their financing arms running during the recession. Otherwise Ford and Toyota would of been forced to scrap their low interest rate financing and leasing at a time when the competition was dumping vehicles trying to keep above water.

Both Ford and Toyota would of survived without the loans, but the bailouts given to other companies forced them into a situation where they needed loans to stay competitive.

 

http://www.caranddriver.com/compari...a-trd-off-road-double-cab-4x4-comparison-test

This just made it to the Net.

 

Interesting. Good post.

All in all, I agree with the initial premise of the article. Both trucks are really disappointments compared to the rest of the market.

Also, funny to see that the disc braking Colorado stops a few feet longer than the Tacoma. Weird. I wonder how many ways people will tear that apart lol.

All in all, the article echos what most people are saying. The Colorado has a better drive and feels like a CUV. So for the average driver it works extremely well. It's all still perfectly capable of towing a TT, loading a tv, etc etc but it's not really offroad or work focused. The Tacoma is more OR and focused on the adventure crowd, so it will do well there. All in all not a bad article but still a little funny to hear some of the things they talk about as being important in a small truck.

 

Unless they used the exact same tires (brand and model) then two feet is meaningless.

 

Absolutely, I agree. I only referenced it because the brakes are about the strongest source of butthurt on this forum, yet the Colorado with road tires didn't brake in as short a distance as the Tacoma on light A/T tires. Seems like both systems work fine but the 2016 Tacoma still has that squishy feel which lost it points.

 

True. Drum brakes in light applications work fine. It's a cost saver, it simplifies the parking brake. But in multiple stop applications or towing, big difference. Kinda why Porsche, BMW, Lexus, Vettes and all heavy duty trucks use them.