Diesel taco?

Really? Pics?

 

Or you could prove that Diesel maintenance is so much more than Gasoline.
Simple look at Hilux diesel intervals and service prices and compare that to Gasoline counterpart. Where is the proof?

 

The military isn't subject to the same pollution regulations the civilian market is. With the army it's a supply chain consideration, all army vehicles and aircraft use the same fuel. Also the military is much more concerned with fire than the civilian market. We seldom get shot at and almost never with tracers or incendiaries.

 

I'll google panama booty after work....

 

well they have plenty of diesels overseas whether it be the landcruiser with a v8 turbo diesel or the hilux. Hell I wouldn't doubt in europe they have a diesel camry.

regardless as much as I love diesel (currently own a jetta TDI) its just not worth it up here in canada.
With the new ram ecodiesel its the same thing.
Any diesel option up here is always a 8-10k upgrade. Once you factor in the fuel savings and what not its a lot of upfront for a long down the road savings.

Just isn't worth the extra cost up here. I'd love it if they made one but I highly doubt it will happen. It would be great for efficiency and low end torque, but justifying that increase for the price tag is tough.

If it was a I4 wouldn't be remotely interested. If it was a V6 and a justifiable cost I'd consider it.

 

for anyone in canada wouldn't be worth it. Our diesel add on prices are ridiculous

 

actually in canada at least diesel is cheaper than petrol.

But the diesel options are way more expensive.
It does have its plus sides I currently own a diesel jetta. Worth it I love the thing.

And your thing about cheating to make them seem clean only applies to the 2009-present VW 2L diesels.
To be fair they all cancel out it comes to preference of how often you like to stop for fuel.
Most diesels go longer between oil changes etc and when something does break yes it cost more but they are usually more durable. They don't break as often. And honestly I own a VW diesel and I haven't found the maintenace to be all that expensive.

 

all those things you're listing only apply to a clean diesel.

Regardless they have advantages. And yes they are built way stronger. I run 23 psi boost on my jetta on stock internals and no issues. The engines are built way stronger and last a lot longer. So to someone that does a lot of high mileage they are a great alternative. My uncle only owns diesel trucks for that reason. He does weekend drives to upstate NY about 600miles round trip each weekend. He owned gas trucks and they wouldn't last for him with all the high mileage. Diesels do.

Diesels could be a great benefit besides the low end torque like you're thinking in terms of work trucks.

 

well Mercedes and BMW have both also screwed with diesel emission things LOL

injectors dont go often.
the turbo aspect...well yes when they go they are very expensive but thats a turbo in general. so unless you're NA it applies to all of them like the new ecoboost fords which everyone is going nuts for.

I can see your point of the argument and I agree usually BlueT isn't all that smart. But diesels would actually have a great benefit in North America.
Every other country (excluding France) use diesel a lot.
OH and the only reason the maintenance is so expensive is because not many actually work on them and know how to. If we had a lot more diesels a lot more mechanics would learn and the price would likely go down to competition. Right now not enough people work on diesel so the guys that do can charge what ever they want.

 

Fair enough. To each their own.
I would really like it, but I know it would be ridiculously overpriced so meh whatever. Doesn't matter if they do it or not.

 

I'll bite on this controversial thread........

I am shopping for a vehicle that....

1.) I can use for work (sales), i.e. lots of windshield time
2.) Haul my track bike, dirt bikes, mountain bikes, camping gear, maybe pull a smaller boat in the near future while carrying the two dogs in a back seat (not all hauling will happen simultaneously)
3.) Can work off road if I need it to but not really a requirement
4.) Long range with the fuel is a plus
5.) Creature comforts are a necessity as my vehicle is basically my office. I don't necessarily need a ton of space (I carry a carbox with collateral, a tablet and a few smart phones). Integration with infotainment is a big plus as I have several devices I carry.

I am shopping the '16 Tacoma with the 3.5 and the new Duramax Colorado. I think the Colorado is a better choice for creature comforts (power seats, leather and the new App connectivity through the head unit is pretty sweet) while the Taco looks better, has a higher resale and has proven it is capable. But in all reality, I am probably going to lease for the tax advantages over buying. The lease on the Taco's have been pretty attractive due to higher residuals. The main reason I am looking at the diesel is the range. Cost of operation doesn't concern me but stopping all of the time to fill up does. One big "what if" that has me leaning towards the taco is power. If that Duramax is anything like the Eco-diesel from Dodge, it could be a real turd.

 

It is $5565, they tack on a bunch of other useless bullshit in the package.

Adding the Exhaust Brake will change the following:

• 
  ADD
• LT Convenience Package
• Sliding rear window, manual
• Automatic locking rear differential
• EZ-Lift and Lower Tailgate
• Fog lamps
• Forward Collision Alert1
• Electric 2-speed transfer case
• Safety Package
• Integrated trailer brake controller
• Remote vehicle starter system
• Trailering Equipment
• Lane Departure Warning1
• Defogger, rear-window, electric

• 
  REMOVE
• 3.6L DOHC V6 engine

 

sorry but a diesel at $3500 more up front and then lets say average .35 per gal more for it at pumps and average will be 10 mpg better than 6 cyl gas . I put 30k a year on between to and from work and then playing on weekends. That isn't normal for most but lets say 20k a year. At 28 average mpg on diesel it would be 714 gallons and lets say $2.50 per gallon. That is $1785 a year. Now do 18mpg average at 2.15 per gal and it would take 1111 gallons for $2388. That is $603 per year. Minus the DEF which will be about another $70 a year in DEF. So now $533 a year. Resale with the diesel will be at least $2500 more. So in less than 2 years you are better off not counting the huge difference in towing you gain with the diesel. So is diesel for everyone. NO some like gas and its pros. Some prefer diesel and its Pros. But cost between the 2 will be just as good in diesel and really better if you run any type of miles. But it is what you like and that is what makes it great to finally have these options. I tow small bass boat and yes the Tacoma gas will pull it no problem but it struggles on hills and even on flat ground and mpg is like 10. With a diesel it will tow and will do much better and get about 20 mpg. So depends on what fits.

 

If they were closer to $30K rather than $40K...I could see it, but even then...I wouldn't own one out of warranty tho'

 

I'd be at the dealership tomorrow. They currently offer a 2.4 L4 rated at 150hp/300lbft in the Hilux. Perfect and it already fits.

And I've stated before, IT'S NOT ABOUT COSTS, IT'S ABOUT PREFERENCE. A diesel of equal horsepower (to my current 4cylinder) will feel stronger and pull better due to the torque in the low rpm range, the rpm range we drive in all the time. No more downshifting on slight inclines, no more high RPMs on the on ramp. Just smooth, effortless acceleration. Anyone who's drives diesels, especially small ones (think VW TDIs) knows what I mean.

Even if the fuel savings never offset the initial price, I'd prefer diesel. And I'm not saying get rid of gas engines. They can offer both. They should offer the small V8 from the Tundra too.

 

this is what I am saying too!! But cost will be just as good and I am sure will be better with the diesel once resale. Either way though it is preference. I too would rather have the torque and towing and mpg. I notice one guy committed the Ecodiesel has no power I disagree totally. It is different power and actually tows much better than the Hemi. No it isn't as fast off line and don't have the horsepower but it has all it needs in the right places. That 3.0 diesel that is in the Ram would be perfect in the taco!!

 

$3700+ is the official number from GM and what GM dealers go by when you try to make order.
Not sure what is that $5500 for.
Until website reflects new Duramax its a guess.
But looking at the list $5500 buys a lot of extra items. Since transfer case is added that maybe boing from 2wd to Duramax.

 

I wouldn't buy the diesel because the maintenance and repair costs are terrible. My BMW is a twin turbo diesel and the costs for maintenance and repair are much higher than regular gas BMWs. I'm dumping that thing like a hot turd before the warranty runs out.

 

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What people forget is that Diesel vs gas are two different powers.
Its Marathon runner vs sprinter.
Your sprinter is light and fast but only for short distance.
Your marathon runner is slower, but it can take load and go for miles with out issue. It has shoes designed for it, and its trained to keep going.
So if you only drive short distances and have no load, sprinter is adequate for you.
But if you want more than just short mall trips, you need real deal..

 

Go to the build section and click on exhaust brake, since the engine isn't listed yet, that $5500 is what comes up.